WHM dps VS. SCH dps

[mp-please]

What else is missing though? I mean, scholars branch from a dps class, it has the tools to dps better than whm naturally. As generic as that may sound it kind of is true, and for a scholar to reach it's full dps potential takes more effort than a whm doing so.

weaving energy drain with broil isn't more effort...

[Anze-chan]

because energy drain and broil is all there is....

[mp-please]

and done

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...rTsdX8/pubhtml

Considering I didn't consider miasma II as it's known to be a complete waste of mp on single target, didn't consider selene haste buff due the simple fact selene might be taking a break for eos (and the buff is so tiny i was lazy to calculate) and ignored server side ticks like for example, some dots can only tick 7 times instead of 8 depending on the time they're used.
It can be concluded that both scholar and white mage are the exact same thing, with scholar losing ground to white mage with as many aether stacks are used on anything other than energy drain. However this advantage is easily balanced by the simple fact white mage has to drop cleric to refresh HoTs/tetra while scholar can depend on a roused fairy most of the time with lustrates being only used when a tank drops too low.

So yea, both classes are the same when it comes to single target with scholar losing to white mage on aoe. The main difference lies on the amount of mp each class uses to deal said dps with scholar managing to keep up their dps for more time while white mage goes oom in roughly 3 mins worth of single target dps, even faster if it has to heal. But that's what bards are for ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

[Ghishlain]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...TsdX8/pubhtml#
(note: scholar "rotation" might not be the ideal)

I like the presentation of your spread sheet. Here are a few things you'll need to correct to make it more accurate though:

1. Bio and Aero aren't oGCDs. They're GCD abilities that are instantly cast so they will still enable the 2.4s Recast you're using in your spreadsheet.
2. Animation delays on oGCDs like Fluid Aura and Energy Drain still account for a 1s delay in the player, which can adjust when you will be casting specific abilities
3. Stone III is actually more potency in a single GCD than Aero. You should only be really using Aero on WHM if you weave an oGCD ability like Fluid Aura or Assize while the Recast timer is ticking down.

[mp-please]

I like the presentation of your spread sheet. Here are a few things you'll need to correct to make it more accurate though:

1. Bio and Aero aren't oGCDs. They're GCD abilities that are instantly cast so they will still enable the 2.4s Recast you're using in your spreadsheet.
2. Animation delays on oGCDs like Fluid Aura and Energy Drain still account for a 1s delay in the player, which can adjust when you will be casting specific abilities
3. Stone III is actually more potency in a single GCD than Aero. You should only be really using Aero on WHM if you weave an oGCD ability like Fluid Aura or Assize while the Recast timer is ticking down.

Fixed. Bio and aero instant casts always got me fooled. Also removed the aero II during PoM cast since it's a dps loss.

About animation delays, i think the timer sort of takes it into consideration since each box counts for 1.2secs, i guess just take it with a grain of salt.

[Slib]

@mp-please, the only thing i hate about whm aoe is the sheer mp cost of holy. Aero 3 and assize were awesome additions but hily is still an mp sucker where bane doesn't hurt mp at all still ><. Thats kinda why i like sch aoe

[Anze-chan]

with multiple targets like how it is in alex savage, sch wouldn't be running on a rotation of energy drain spam. Although it would be very amusing to see a whm beat a sch on heavy trash mob pulls because I think it's:

assize/aero3/holy(with or without pom) vs bane/miasma2/shadowflare/blizzard2

The example in a2 follows with vuln up stacks which supports sch aoe dps more than whm in my opinion.

[mp-please]

@mp-please, the only thing i hate about whm aoe is the sheer mp cost of holy. Aero 3 and assize were awesome additions but hily is still an mp sucker where bane doesn't hurt mp at all still ><. Thats kinda why i like sch aoe

Personally, i never had issues with holy and it's mp consumption, in dungeons at least. It's a whole different story with raid scenario where i really don't recommend spamming it till oom due the heavier healing requirement and no stops to recover mp.

with multiple targets like how it is in alex savage, sch wouldn't be running on a rotation of energy drain spam. Although it would be very amusing to see a whm beat a sch on heavy trash mob pulls because I think it's:

assize/aero3/holy(with or without pom) vs bane/miasma2/shadowflare/blizzard2

The example in a2 follows with vuln up stacks which supports sch aoe dps more than whm in my opinion.

On savage, is totally possible for a scholar to beat whm on aoe. I wouldn't dare to spam holy on a raid situation where i have to heal and dps for more than 5 mins, my party bard would kill me.

In a nutshell,
short term single/aoe dps(1-3 min): WHM > SCH
long term single/aoe dps (3min+): SCH > WHM

[Anze-chan]

sounds about right