The Real Problem with Parsers

[Aiselia]

Now let me sum it up.

Side A: WE NEED PARSERS SO WE CAN KICK PEOPLE FOR BEING BAD AND WASTING FIVE MORE MINUTES OF MY TIME
Side B: But that's exactly the kind of treatment SE wants to avoid
Side A: THEY SHOULD GET OVER IT GIVE US PARSERS SO WE CAN KICK PEOPLE FOR BEING BAD
Side B: But you're just proving SE right by saying that
Side A: I DON'T CARE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME IN ANY NEGATIVE WAY AND ANYONE IT DOES IS WEAK GIMME PARSERS
Side B: But -
Side A: PARSERS DON'T MAKE PEOPLE JERKS, JERKS MAKE PEOPLE JERKS WE WILL NOT BE JERKS
Side B: But you're already acting like -
Side A: SEE? PEOPLE ARE JERKS ALREADY GIVE PARSERS
Side B: But that's the kind of people that shouldn't get -
Side A: LOL UR JUST SCARED UR DPS IS CRAP SO U WILL BE KICKED YOU TERRIBAD
Side B: I'm a tank.

Also something about people thinking a video of one person doing a handful of runs negates 10 years of stories of elitism encountered simply because of confirmation bias.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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Some guy who posted before you made the exact opposite of it. So by the statement of "the kind of treatment SE wants to avoid", you could make the same claim about the contrary.

So here's a situation where a parser may or may not come in handy:
There's a DPS check mechanic for a certain encounter, your party keeps wiping on it. Why, who and/or how?

[Gorlioliolio]

Some guy who posted before you made the exact opposite of it. So by the statement of "the kind of treatment SE wants to avoid", you could make the same claim about the contrary.

So here's a situation where a parser may or may not come in handy:
There's a DPS check mechanic for a certain encounter, your party keeps wiping on it. Why, who and/or how?

Sastasha HM or Qarn HM for example, I have had dps who fail so incredibly hard you can't pass the dps checks on the 2nd bosses. I have kicked dps at these 2 bosses after wiping a couple times, trying to explain their basic rotations to the people, wiping again and eventually getting fed up. Was I wrong to kick them? I don't think so but all these people who seem to think that playing terribly and wasting other peoples time is their self entitled right by paying their subscription would disagree with me.

[Sleigh]

trying to explain their basic rotations to the people

This typically ends in "play it your way" or people getting mad and fighting back. Or just instantly leaving ... which is a good thing, come to think of it.

[Aiselia]

Some guy who posted before you made the exact opposite of it.

I know. That's why i did it.

Kicking someone for not performing their role

People don't argue against parsers because people who auto-attack may get kicked. They argue against parsers because people who may be doing what they think is right may get kicked because some random person arbitrarily decides it's not good enough for them.

[Malevicton]

I know. That's why i did it.


People don't argue against parsers because people who auto-attack may get kicked. They argue against parsers because people who may be doing what they think is right may get kicked because some random person arbitrarily decides it's not good enough for them.

To be contrarian instead of making a response?

[Aiselia]

To be contrarian instead of making a response?

What part of it deserved a response?

[Malevicton]

What part of it deserved a response?

Well that's the most arrogant thing I've read today.

So you're just trolling at this point?

[Aiselia]

Well that's the most arrogant thing I've read today.

If you choose to take it that way, that's your prerogative. I, however, was asking a serious question.

What part of it deserved a response?

Where he said "These are the stupidest threads ever", suggesting a preformed bias against threads against parsers?
Where he admitted he only got up to 15 pages before "summing it up"?
Where he just made a biased strawman "summary" based on his own self-admitted lack of knowledge of what the thread actually contains because he didn't read it all?

Which of those parts deserved a response? Which of those should I respond to that I shouldn't expect should just be a giant waste of my time because he likely won't bother reading it fairly?

[Leigaon]

I think both Aisela and Gorlio did a pretty good way of summing it up. On both sides you have the good and the bad, these two are naturally going to cross with each other.

You got the one side who will want to use the parsing to help make sure a run goes smooth or if there is someone who is not carrying their weight in a EX or Endgame like scenario. Hopefully in response the person takes the suggestions and tries to improve. Then you got the part where you see someone abuse it, they see a dungeon run where the person isn't performing as well as what they're use to seeing and get upset. In this scenario, with some exceptions, there's no real reason to get upset and kick someone over it unless you're someone who demands the perfect and has no flexibility or understanding for the other player.

I believe it is a good thing when used correctly, but it takes both sides the person who is eyeing that parsing number and the person(s) who are in the group of "you aren't doing as well as you should be..."

I wouldn't mind it, but I would only take so much from someone depending on the situation. When I decide to do some end-game stuff and someone goes "Your smn isn't putting out as much as it should" I'll discuss gear, rotations with you and if it gets that bad I'll accept the leave with a bit of pain..and work on it. Then you got the person who will just disgrace you and spit on you for not living up to their expectations in something as simple as Garuda HM or a 4 man dungeon. Of course there's things such as someone who just auto-attacks or sits there waiting for things to die..this can help.

End result, at least for me, it is a good tool if used for it's correct purpose and you're not dealing with a jerk from either end of the conversation. I got no fear of someone parsing me, but if I'm not living up to the expectations I expect guidance whether it's in my gear (high ilv or focus on more det / crit etc...) or if it's my rotation I need to work down. (I found it hard to remember to use Ruin III while under my trance as SMN for a while for example) in return it's my job as a player to work on my game and better myself so that I can assist in making the run as smooth as possible.