My Experience With Alexander Normal Yesterday As A Tank

[Kyros]

Alex is not main story content, and is not run by the majority of the player base. And even then, it is still rude to expect everyone else to explain your job to you.

Yes. It is story content. That was the whole point of normal mode: To let people keep up with the story without having to do Savage. SE was kind enough to throw some standing-up gear on it as well.

Also, It is twice as rude to expect someone to have spoiled themselves a story mode for your convenience.

[Kolaina]

I know, right? These English-first-language people that think the selector is just there to cut down queue times... o_0

If I join a party and they're speaking English, I speak English. If they're speaking German, I speak German. If they're speaking French, I do my best, and am the first to apologise and excuse myself if we're having problems, since better communication is always the first solution.

i'll try my best to communicate where its needed. as you can see by my posts my english is quite good, but i have my struggles when put on the spot. but im offended by the context in which the OP mentioned french individuals. i certainly dont react like that when i get english speakers in a primarily french run who can not communicate with the party or refuse to because another language is outside their comfortability.
also to single them out for the language they speak when im sure people who speak his primary language are just as unlikely to provide assistance, as proved in his other experiences he shared

[Amberyl]

Also, It is twice as rude to expect someone to have spoiled themselves a story mode for your convenience.

'Also, It is twice as rude to expect everyone else to explain your job to you, for your convenience.'

Oh look, that was easy.

[Noxifer]

And expecting the other one to educate you is no less rude and thoughtless than expecting the rest of the group to do it.

As you said, if you want to go blind or train, that's what the partyfinder is for.

Of course not. I only meant that since there are two tanks, everything is not hanging on that new tank to know the whole fight. And one of them usually take a larger part of responsibility (usually the MT) during the fight. There's a reason why several 8-man duties (whether it's coil, primals or alex) have one-tank strategies. Not all of them, but several. The bit regarding how quick it can be to give pointers wasn't suggesting it was the other tank's job to give them. It was just there to show that some raids can be simplified into very short terms, if you're just looking at knowing one role's place in it.

And I disagree on PF being the place for training. Going in blind, yes (since the person who wants to go in blind probably won't want to be spoiled by 'well-meaning' people explaining everything, and won't risk getting flamed by impatient people -- so it's a win/win). But DF is there for everyone. If you're at the training stage, go ahead and use the DF, but be aware that you can run into impatient people. If you're at the 'farm' stage, go ahead and use the DF, but be aware that you can get new people. For the best experience while inside the raid, PF should be used by both those groups, both practice and farm groups. But neither group should be forced to rely on PF only.
The view regarding who should use PF and not also differs a lot depending on which region your data center belongs to, and sometimes even which data center you're in (regardless of region).

whos to say the OP isnt the type to have all languages selected? ended up in a french party. also no matter the case sometimes if i have been speaking french exclusively for an extended period of time my english ends up not the greatest and i struggle to form more than short as possible replies usually consisting of fewer words than i have fingers. explaining a full (casual) raid encounter would prove difficult for me. OP could have done any sort of research. even if he refuses to watch videos, he must have at least 1 friend/ fc member he could have asked instead of getting upset complete randoms didnt hold his hand and change his depends

I wasn't commenting on the OP in particular at all, just in general (as well as drawing on my own personal experiences). But if he selected all languages in the DF without being able to speak them, and ended up in a party consisting mostly of people speaking another language, then yes, he'd be the rude one.
I also never said anything about explaining full strats in a language other than your own (or the language you're most comfortable with; like I said, English isn't my native language, but I do consider myself fluent in it). But when I've been in a whole dungeon, or a whole fight, and people who have English selected in their profile as a language they know don't even say one word in English when at least 50% of the group don't know their native language at all... It does make me grumpy, and if it happens a lot it tends to colour a person's view on all people speaking that language or playing with the client in that language.

I know, right? These English-first-language people that think the selector is just there to cut down queue times... o_0

...Personally, I tick only the English checkbox, since that's the only language I speak (I can understand a few words here and there of German, one or two in French, but that's it). But I've seen people proudly proclaiming that they advocate to their French-only friends to tick all boxes to cut down their queues. And when I tick only English checkbox and end up with people in my party who don't have English noted in their profile... yeah. It's got nothing to do with "English-first-language people". It's got everything to do with impatient and/or rude people.

[Amberyl]

but im offended by the context in which the OP mentioned french individuals. i certainly dont react like that when i get english speakers in a primarily french run who can not communicate with the party or refuse to because another language is outside their comfortability.

You have every right to be. I lived in Dijon on and off for three years. Some of the nicest people I've ever met.

The language selector is just as binding as every other conduct aspect of the Duty Finder, imo.

Besides, Is Praetorium or Castrum not story mode stuff? You are almost always expected to get new people there. No one would do it if not for the Roulette bonus or (At the time) the Tomes associated with it.

Alex Normal is the same deal.

No, it's not. Castrum and Prae are main story quest, marked as such, and required for progression. Alex is not. It is a raid, and set to a different level of complexity, including the 'causal' version. When you have to clear Alex to play story content in 3.x, then you'll have a case to make. Until then, you do not.

And that still has little bearing on how rude it is to turn up and expect everyone else to explain everything to you. Castrum being a perfect example of how one unprepared player can ruin the entire run.

But I've seen people proudly proclaiming that they advocate to their French-only friends to tick all boxes to cut down their queues.

Why wouldn't they? Everyone does it now. But go do a forum search on duty finder queue times, and tell me who came up with the idea of negating the language function to cut down queue times.

Wait... so it's alright if it's non-English people who tick all the boxes to shorten queue times, but it's not okay if English-only people do that? Because that was kind of your comment to that effect that I replied to.

You're the one singling out a particular language base and pointing fingers. You tell me.

As an aside: lol at where this thread is going. That moment when you realise the forum raiding community in Destiny, which is predominantly made up of ex-Halo kiddies, is less toxic, and better prepared, that a mainstream branded MMO like XIV... o_0

[Kyros]

'Also, It is twice as rude to expect everyone else to explain your job to you, for your convenience.'

Oh look, that was easy.

What you wrote doesn't even make sense. Explaining something takes like, 3 lines. That's about 10 seconds of writing. I can probably get that done while running to the boss with no time lost. You are expecting someone to spend 5+ minutes watching a video instead. So no, it's not "That easy".

Besides, Is Praetorium or Castrum not story mode stuff? You are almost always expected to get new people there. No one would do it if not for the Roulette bonus or (At the time) the Tomes associated with it.

Alex Normal is the same deal. The only reason people keep running it is because there is some middle-ground gear on it.

[Reinth]

So you do it your style. Get wiped as expected. And have already plannes to write this thread after..

Cool story.

[Kolaina]

Asking people to have watched a video for Alex Normal is like asking people to watch a video for Praetorium or Castrum.

not watching a video, or refusing some form of study, then going on to complain others didnt provide you with the walk through is pretty much what the original post is.
1 approach is you do the work yourself. the OPs expectation was for others to provide for him. they didnt. they wiped. they removed the weak link. is it worth crying over? certainly not.
in his mention of A4 he went with a friend and cleared. im sure his friend gave him an explanation and friends are more likely to do this for you. expecting strangers who have no ties to you to provide? right...
he could of had his friend accompany him through the whole thing and prevented this sob story in the first place

[Kyros]

not watching a video, or refusing some form of study, then going on to complain others didnt provide you with the walk through is pretty much what the original post is.

Sure, that is a valid point. Complaining about DF not going smoothly because you went in blind is stupid. But at the same time, people here acting like its the end-of-the-world or asking such ridiculous things like "Should have watched a video!" or "Make a PF" for Story Content is so counter-intuitive and quite honestly beyond stupid.

Besides, if he actively stated that he is new, and the party did not take any appropriate action, it is the other players fault. They have no one to blame when he under-performed that their own silence. I mean, when you expect a new player to perform at knowledge-level without any help all you are doing is setting up for failure.

[hagare]

Sure, that is a valid point. Complaining about DF not going smoothly because you went in blind is stupid. But at the same time, people here acting like its the end-of-the-world or asking such ridiculous things like "Should have watched a video!" or "Make a PF" for Story Content is so counter-intuitive and quite honestly beyond stupid.

Besides, if he actively stated that he is new, and the party did not take any appropriate action, it is the other players fault. They have no one to blame when he under-performed that their own silence. I mean, when you expect a new player to perform at knowledge-level without any help all you are doing is setting up for failure.

yea, they shoulda just kicked him or vote abandoned

blaming someone for not teaching is as ridiculous as blaming someone for not wanting to learn.