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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    Not trying to be rude here, but you realize you can make your own PF, yea?
    Quote Originally Posted by Amberyl View Post
    As you said, if you want to go blind or train, that's what the partyfinder is for.
    Ok, what is going on here? Are you people seriously suggesting to PF something so incredibly simple and easy to DF as Alex Normal? That's like asking for an Ifrit Hard PF.

    OP was in the right to go blindly on the DF's. No one is going to join an "Alex Normal Learning Party" PF - nor they should have. Seriously, this is story content people. You are meant to go in there and learn. Asking people to have watched a video for Alex Normal is like asking people to watch a video for Praetorium or Castrum.

    Anyone seriously suggesting that he should know the fights prior to doing them needs to get their stick out of their butt and let new players experience content meant for new players.
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    Last edited by Kyros; 09-14-2015 at 06:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyros View Post
    Seriously, this is story content people.
    Alex is not main story content, and is not run by the majority of the player base. And even then, it is still rude to expect everyone else to explain your job to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberyl View Post
    Alex is not main story content, and is not run by the majority of the player base. And even then, it is still rude to expect everyone else to explain your job to you.
    Yes. It is story content. That was the whole point of normal mode: To let people keep up with the story without having to do Savage. SE was kind enough to throw some standing-up gear on it as well.

    Also, It is twice as rude to expect someone to have spoiled themselves a story mode for your convenience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyros View Post
    Also, It is twice as rude to expect someone to have spoiled themselves a story mode for your convenience.
    'Also, It is twice as rude to expect everyone else to explain your job to you, for your convenience.'

    Oh look, that was easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberyl View Post
    'Also, It is twice as rude to expect everyone else to explain your job to you, for your convenience.'

    Oh look, that was easy.
    What you wrote doesn't even make sense. Explaining something takes like, 3 lines. That's about 10 seconds of writing. I can probably get that done while running to the boss with no time lost. You are expecting someone to spend 5+ minutes watching a video instead. So no, it's not "That easy".

    Besides, Is Praetorium or Castrum not story mode stuff? You are almost always expected to get new people there. No one would do it if not for the Roulette bonus or (At the time) the Tomes associated with it.

    Alex Normal is the same deal. The only reason people keep running it is because there is some middle-ground gear on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyros View Post
    Explaining something takes like, 3 lines. That's about 10 seconds of writing. I can probably get that done while running to the boss with no time lost. You are expecting someone to spend 5+ minutes watching a video instead. So no, it's not "That easy".
    3 lines is enough to explain it to someone that has seen the fight before. For someone that has no idea what you're talking about, it's not going to help anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyros View Post
    Asking people to have watched a video for Alex Normal is like asking people to watch a video for Praetorium or Castrum.
    not watching a video, or refusing some form of study, then going on to complain others didnt provide you with the walk through is pretty much what the original post is.
    1 approach is you do the work yourself. the OPs expectation was for others to provide for him. they didnt. they wiped. they removed the weak link. is it worth crying over? certainly not.
    in his mention of A4 he went with a friend and cleared. im sure his friend gave him an explanation and friends are more likely to do this for you. expecting strangers who have no ties to you to provide? right...
    he could of had his friend accompany him through the whole thing and prevented this sob story in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    not watching a video, or refusing some form of study, then going on to complain others didnt provide you with the walk through is pretty much what the original post is.
    Sure, that is a valid point. Complaining about DF not going smoothly because you went in blind is stupid. But at the same time, people here acting like its the end-of-the-world or asking such ridiculous things like "Should have watched a video!" or "Make a PF" for Story Content is so counter-intuitive and quite honestly beyond stupid.

    Besides, if he actively stated that he is new, and the party did not take any appropriate action, it is the other players fault. They have no one to blame when he under-performed that their own silence. I mean, when you expect a new player to perform at knowledge-level without any help all you are doing is setting up for failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyros View Post
    Sure, that is a valid point. Complaining about DF not going smoothly because you went in blind is stupid. But at the same time, people here acting like its the end-of-the-world or asking such ridiculous things like "Should have watched a video!" or "Make a PF" for Story Content is so counter-intuitive and quite honestly beyond stupid.

    Besides, if he actively stated that he is new, and the party did not take any appropriate action, it is the other players fault. They have no one to blame when he under-performed that their own silence. I mean, when you expect a new player to perform at knowledge-level without any help all you are doing is setting up for failure.

    yea, they shoulda just kicked him or vote abandoned

    blaming someone for not teaching is as ridiculous as blaming someone for not wanting to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    yea, they shoulda just kicked him or vote abandoned
    Sure, let's go with that. Because that will in no way backfire or make them lose more time than spending the oh so dreadful 10 or so seconds it'll take to type out what to do.

    blaming someone for not teaching is as ridiculous as blaming someone for not wanting to learn.
    He actively stated he is new. It's not like he's covering his ears and going la la la. That is about as far as his responsibility goes as a new player in story content.

    And yes. I'll blame anyone not speaking up when a new player asks for help. Because the opposite of speaking up is not doing anything and wiping - which is quite honestly stupid.
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    Last edited by Kyros; 09-14-2015 at 07:02 PM.

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