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    Noxifer's Avatar
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    C'alih Tia
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    Phoenix
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Amberyl View Post
    And expecting the other one to educate you is no less rude and thoughtless than expecting the rest of the group to do it.

    As you said, if you want to go blind or train, that's what the partyfinder is for.
    Of course not. I only meant that since there are two tanks, everything is not hanging on that new tank to know the whole fight. And one of them usually take a larger part of responsibility (usually the MT) during the fight. There's a reason why several 8-man duties (whether it's coil, primals or alex) have one-tank strategies. Not all of them, but several. The bit regarding how quick it can be to give pointers wasn't suggesting it was the other tank's job to give them. It was just there to show that some raids can be simplified into very short terms, if you're just looking at knowing one role's place in it.

    And I disagree on PF being the place for training. Going in blind, yes (since the person who wants to go in blind probably won't want to be spoiled by 'well-meaning' people explaining everything, and won't risk getting flamed by impatient people -- so it's a win/win). But DF is there for everyone. If you're at the training stage, go ahead and use the DF, but be aware that you can run into impatient people. If you're at the 'farm' stage, go ahead and use the DF, but be aware that you can get new people. For the best experience while inside the raid, PF should be used by both those groups, both practice and farm groups. But neither group should be forced to rely on PF only.
    The view regarding who should use PF and not also differs a lot depending on which region your data center belongs to, and sometimes even which data center you're in (regardless of region).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    whos to say the OP isnt the type to have all languages selected? ended up in a french party. also no matter the case sometimes if i have been speaking french exclusively for an extended period of time my english ends up not the greatest and i struggle to form more than short as possible replies usually consisting of fewer words than i have fingers. explaining a full (casual) raid encounter would prove difficult for me. OP could have done any sort of research. even if he refuses to watch videos, he must have at least 1 friend/ fc member he could have asked instead of getting upset complete randoms didnt hold his hand and change his depends
    I wasn't commenting on the OP in particular at all, just in general (as well as drawing on my own personal experiences). But if he selected all languages in the DF without being able to speak them, and ended up in a party consisting mostly of people speaking another language, then yes, he'd be the rude one.
    I also never said anything about explaining full strats in a language other than your own (or the language you're most comfortable with; like I said, English isn't my native language, but I do consider myself fluent in it). But when I've been in a whole dungeon, or a whole fight, and people who have English selected in their profile as a language they know don't even say one word in English when at least 50% of the group don't know their native language at all... It does make me grumpy, and if it happens a lot it tends to colour a person's view on all people speaking that language or playing with the client in that language.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amberyl View Post
    I know, right? These English-first-language people that think the selector is just there to cut down queue times... o_0
    ...Personally, I tick only the English checkbox, since that's the only language I speak (I can understand a few words here and there of German, one or two in French, but that's it). But I've seen people proudly proclaiming that they advocate to their French-only friends to tick all boxes to cut down their queues. And when I tick only English checkbox and end up with people in my party who don't have English noted in their profile... yeah. It's got nothing to do with "English-first-language people". It's got everything to do with impatient and/or rude people.
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    Last edited by Noxifer; 09-14-2015 at 06:42 PM.