CT is dead, please fix

[Malevicton]

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So, do you think a unsyched option would or wouldn't solve it? Like it or not, that's the way easier option. It's not as simple as "well just throw in a new roulette." That takes lobby servers. It takes balancing the rewards. It's kind of a thing. Unsyched doesn't really take anything. I wouldn't be opposed to a triad card, or a mount. I would be opposed to relic progression. And while I'm not necessarily against the abstract of a roulette, it just seems needlessly complicated; and if properly executed, still overkill if unsynch would do the job. Not to mention that that's just not historically how roulettes have been used.

Even with a roulette, getting the 2.0 experience of CT can't happen. Because it's not 2.0 anymore. That experience requires players being on the same page, and they wouldn't be, not even remotely.

I'm fine with people being able to do CT again, but it doesn't need to be competitively relevant with 3.0 content.

[Adire]

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Alone? It would not solve it, no. I highly doubt PF would be regularly full of people doing CT. It would only make overgeared, overleveled people be able to grind it with fewer people and less mistakes. But it won't do anything at all for the solo newbie or the small group of friends playing together from the beginning.

And yeah, it won't be the same as 2.0. Far more close to the 2.0 experience to have 24 synced people doing it than 8 unsynced people doing it though.

[seorin]

If the incentive is too great people will feel obligated to run it to the point of tedium. If the incentive is "minor" then people still won't bother doing it enough to revive the queue times.

This is a false dichotomy. There are middle-ground incentives like roulette bonuses. Plenty would choose to run CT if only given a reason.

So, do you think a unsyched option would or wouldn't solve it? Like it or not, that's the way easier option.

Unsync requires mechanics changes to the dungeons themselves, so roulette is actually the simpler option. Both would be great, and if you added the queuing changes outlined in the OP it would probably fix the problem once and for all. I do think it warrants that degree of attention because nothing else is suffering abandonment to the same degree. That's not because so many people hate CT, it's simply a structural problem stemming from the need for 24 people.

[Krylo]

So, do you think a unsyched option would or wouldn't solve it?

Lack of level synching is why I quit vanilla WoW back in the day. It was easy to find a max level character to run you through deadmines, but it was impossible to find a group of people around the proper level willing to do it right. And then the same thing on shadowfang, etc.

Playing content that was designed for your level with unsynched players doesn't even begin to be fun. It made it seem like there wasn't even a point to playing at all.

Unsynching doesn't even begin to be a solution for helping people experience outdated content.

Not to mention that that's just not historically how roulettes have been used.

Incentivizing people to go into old content so that it stays semi-relevant and allows new players to get in and experience it in a way that makes the experience feel relevant for new players is exactly how roulettes have been used. It's pretty much what every roulette other than Expert is/has been for since roulettes were introduced.

[Escha]

What did I respond to this with?

I said, I have done hardcore content in previous games. I don't doubt that I could do coil. I choose not to do coil because I am no longer interested in hardcore raiding. I am proof that CT was not "made for people who were too bad for coil."

Why am I proof of this? Because I do CT, but I highly doubt I would be too bad for coil. I also said some people simply did not have time to commit to a static and hardcore raid. CT was also designed for these people.

And CT was designed for anyone who would like to do it. Your "point" that CT is exclusively designed for coil rejects is nonsensical, or a troll post. It seems you're the one in need of better reading comprehension.

Good to know you haven't read my previous posts other than the one you replied to

[Adire]

Good to know you haven't read my previous posts other than the one you replied to

Those posts are irrelevant since I was responding to one very clear statement you made, not those posts.

I'll bite though. Please, do feel free to show me which posts you're referring to.

Edit: Going through your previous posts, I don't see anything other than you complaining about CT tediousness.

Which has nothing at all to do with your statement about CT being made for coil rejects, which is what I responded to.

Go ahead and prove me wrong though if you can. Please quote the posts relevant to what I'm questioning you for if there are any.

[Escha]

How about you read the thread instead of thinking everything contrary to you is trolling.

CT was created as an alternate gearing route for people who missed the boat on getting a static that would run coils. I don't mean the gear IN CT but the poetics/soldiery gear and weapons which is pretty much equal to the Coils gear and weapons

Exactly my point, CT is made for people not good enough for coil. (You're just adding unnecessary sugar but okay) And making it viable again just to rehash the worn-out 2.x content is absolutely ridiculous.

[Adire]

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Wrong again. Repeating it won't make it right. It's pretty clear you won't ever get it, but I'll just say it one more time. People who do CT are not necessarily too bad to do coil.

I am an example of someone who has no interest but has the skill, the countless people who don't have time for coil because of real life things are examples of people who may have the skill but don't have the time.

[Escha]

Okay special snowflake. Doesn't change the fact that coil is specifically made to cater the people locked out of coil. (Baddies etc.)

[Adire]

Okay special snowflake. Doesn't change the fact that coil is specifically made to cater the people locked out of coil. (Baddies etc.)

If you say so.

Can't take you seriously anymore though since you haven't quoted said posts, or addressed my arguments and proof that you're wrong. But you do you