Explain why I can't use my PvP Rewards?

[Nalien]

You know, I am fairly certain I've gone through a new dungeon and obtained gear I cannot use until I grind out the levels for the Job. Fairly certain I could use Law/Esoterics to buy Summoner gear I cannot use, as well, until I grind Summoner to 60. I have to grind Summoner to 60 before I can use that awesome AF2.

PvP is no different. You have to grind to Rank 50 before you can use the new gear in the same way you'd have to grind a Job to 60 before you can use its new gear. Since PvPs release, they've done plenty of things to ease up this grind, too; Out right increasing the rewards from Wolves' Den, adding Frontlines with far better rewards, adding PvP EXP to the Challenge Log, adding the PvP Roulette, removing the Rank requirement on old gear.

That last one is a pretty big one... To compare to PvE, that's like having them take all the Lv50 cap equipment and reducing it down to Lv1 gear so newbs can run around in AF and Relic weapons. That simply doesn't happen, but it happened with the PvP equipment, granted PvP equipment might as well not have stats on it (but I'd argue the same is true for any of the gear in this game, given how pathetic itemization is here...) since it's really only there for glamours at this point, but that just makes the complaints even more pathetic. If Morale still worked like it did in 2.1 and Frontlines actually made use of the stat, perhaps there would be an argument here, but that isn't the case. PvP gear has absolutely no standing in ones PvP ability, it's literally just a trophy. Trophies tend to loose their value when everyone gets one for participation.

What they really need to do is overhaul the PvP Rank system entirely. It shouldn't be something you grind out; It should be something you work on, constantly. It should be based off your wins/kills/deaths/etc. and it should be possible to go down a rank. I'll be the first to admit that PvP gear as a trophy doesn't really work, considering all you need to do is grind it out. It's far too much like PvE gear in that regard. If I'm wearing the current PvP set, that should say that I have, and have maintained, a fairly high rank by being good at PvP. It should not say that I grinding my way to Rank 50 in a few weeks, like it currently does. If I don't PvP, my Rank should decrease. If I have a massive losing streak, my Rank should decrease. Having Rank 50 should be something you easily reach by being good and have to maintain by continuing to PvP. It absolutely shouldn't be something a bunch of whining PvE players can jump into after a bit of grinding and then never touch the content again...

[Naunet]

That last one is a pretty big one... To compare to PvE, that's like having them take all the Lv50 cap equipment and reducing it down to Lv1 gear so newbs can run around in AF and Relic weapons.

I don't think this is an accurate comparison at all. PvPers have done the level grind, too.

In other MMOs, I can obtain PvP gear by accruing currency, and there may be a special set locked behind a certain rank but 1) it's really not necessary to get it to be competitive and 2) you don't lose access to it if your rank drops. Personally, when I PvP in an MMO (and I typically enjoy PvP... except for this game), I'm less interested in having my gear make a huge difference and more interested in my skill making the difference in a win.

[Nalien]

In other MMOs, I can obtain PvP gear by accruing currency, and there may be a special set locked behind a certain rank but 1) it's really not necessary to get it to be competitive and 2) you don't lose access to it if your rank drops.

What do you mean "In other MMOs"? That's exactly how it is here... You do not need PvP gear to be competitive in PvP, PvP gear in this game is nothing more than a glamour trophy, and losing Rank was just a suggestion, because I'd rather see Ranks mean something, rather than just being a simple grind anyone can do.

Seriously, SE... Just remove Morale already, all it seems to be doing is confusing people... You do not need this gear to PvP in the slightest, the item level cap on Seal Rock is i150. This gear is i180, i210 with Morale applied, but it still gets synced down to i150 in Seal Rock. This stuff might be relevant when Wolves' Den gets its long awaited adjustment, but I'm incline to think we'll still get a i150 capped Lv60 Wolves' Den (like we secretly got i80 capped Lv50 Wolves' Den) because... Yeah... Skill should be the deciding factor, not gear.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

You know, I am fairly certain I've gone through a new dungeon and obtained gear I cannot use until I grind out the levels for the Job. Fairly certain I could use Law/Esoterics to buy Summoner gear I cannot use, as well, until I grind Summoner to 60. I have to grind Summoner to 60 before I can use that awesome AF2.

Uhm.. Pretty sure you can't get eso/law before 60. So infact if you get the gear you *CAN* use it.

PvP is different. You can get the gear by PvPing but CANNOT use it.

[AskaRay]

Uhm.. Pretty sure you can't get eso/law before 60. So infact if you get the gear you *CAN* use it.

Explain all that casting/tank gear that Neverreap insists I have constantly then

Also
If I buy a SMN Eso piece right now, which I can do because my Bard is to 60, I still wouldn't be able to use it because my ACN class is only 57.

This thread can also be titled (in my case): "Please let me use Ironworks Monk gear on my lvl 15 Pugilist, thanks"

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Are you bringing this out of the pvp subsection as well? You have not earned the right to wear it simply because you obtained the currency. That's like me saying I should be able to use lvl 60 scholar gear just by buying it with law eso tomes. I'm sure you wouldn't be as bothered by this if you had a rank requirement to purchase the pvp gear, since you seem fixated on the point that if you can buy it, you can use it

You cannot gain the tokens until your level 60. So in fact you "can" wear it when you earn it.

A similar system would be to wear Savage Alexander gear you need to do it 100 times.

[RiceisNice]

You cannot gain the tokens until your level 60. So in fact you "can" wear it when you earn it.
If you had a "rank" requirement for wearing level 60 gear. I would consider the game worthless and would have left long ago
Your comparing apples to oranges.
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No. I can get the tokens at level 60. I can use it to buy scholar gear, but I can't use it if my scholar is not level 60. And again, you haven't done any "hard work" to earn the ability to equip those PvP pieces, because you don't have the rank for it. The currency isn't even the hard work part.

The only person that's making apple and orange comparison is you with this bit.

A similar system would be to wear Savage Alexander gear you need to do it 100 times.

Considering that I'm Rank 40 after 300 or so meaningful matches (that is, on one GC), and I don't PvP every day for every hour of the day (because I actually hate how PvP is setup, I'm only gunning for the ADS mount), I'm probably putting less effort than most would-be serious PvPers.

I don't get what point people are trying to make with this, don't you still need the class at 60 to use their PvP gear? I can't wear Monk PvP gear of my Ninja Job.

OP wants to be able to wear PvP gear as soon as he gets enough currency to buy it, even though it has rank attached to it. Because apparently, getting enough currency should be more than enough justification to wear something that provides (a rather significant boost) in wolves den.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

No. I can get the tokens at level 60. I can use it to buy scholar gear, but I can't use it if my scholar is not level 60. And again, you haven't done any "hard work" to earn the ability to equip those PvP pieces, because you don't have the rank for it. The currency isn't even the hard work part.

The only person that's making apple and orange comparison is you with this bit.



Considering that I'm Rank 40 after 300 or so meaningful matches (that is, on one GC), and I don't PvP every day for every hour of the day (because I actually hate how PvP is setup, I'm only gunning for the ADS mount), I'm probably putting less effort than most would-be serious PvPers.



OP wants to be able to wear PvP gear as soon as he gets enough currency to buy it, even though it has rank attached to it. Because apparently, getting enough currency should be more than enough justification to wear something that provides (a rather significant boost) in wolves den.

Even at level 50 Rank in PvP you cannot use the gear you don't have levels for.

Your comparing apples to oranges.

[RiceisNice]

YES, but you can buy your "class's appropriate gear" and use it IMMEDIATELY.

Even at level 50 Rank in PvP you cannot use the gear you don't have levels for.

Your comparing apples to oranges. Find a more appropriate comparison, one has nothing to do with the other.

I want one small part of the game to be like the rest of the game. I don't see why that is "BAD". The rest of the game is designed good, this is designed poorly.

>I can buy my class' appropriate gear and use it immediately, granted I have that class leveled to 60. Your PvP rank is your PvP level, gained from earning PvP EXP. You want to wear rank 50 stuff without being rank 50.

>Because that small part of the game is supposed to be separated from the rest of the game. PvE and PvP.

Truth to be told, they're both separate instances in the game and have their own qualifications and statistics. We shouldn't be comparing the two, but you keep saying that you earned the right to wear it with your "hard work" when you don't have the PvP rank to show for it.

[Colorful]

Explain all that casting/tank gear that Neverreap insists I have constantly then

Also
If I buy a SMN Eso piece right now, which I can do because my Bard is to 60, I still wouldn't be able to use it because my ACN class is only 57.

This thread can also be titled (in my case): "Please let me use Ironworks Monk gear on my lvl 15 Pugilist, thanks"

I don't get what point people are trying to make with this, don't you still need the class at 60 to use their PvP gear? I can't wear Monk PvP gear of my Ninja Job.