What does Heavensward actually bring to the table as an expansion?

[Reinha]

Want more proof? Look at FC numbers.

Anecdotal. Fc's always lose numbers and even disband, and simultaneously new fc's get created and they grow in numbers. Doesn't prove a thing about total subs.

Same thing can be said to you, no idea where you're pulling numbers from. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...e8ff1bcf34c5ae census shows nothing about 800k-900k.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...zean-Census%29

It's not official but it's the best source for estimating active players since SE doesn't release the info themselves. So, either every player has 3 active characters or your numbers were waaaay off. Luckily, it's not my burden to prove your claim wrong, but yours to prove it right. ^_^ So much doom and gloom on the forums these days.

Also let's not forget

Out of those active characters, 728 189 have the airship minion from the level 15 MSQ. Either bots really love their minion collection or the active character count is still over twice as high as your estimate.

Considering this isn't an official one from SE, you can't truly say all 728k of those are active and not just running on extra time bought or 2nd accounts people got for refer a friend.
Twice as high as what I said? Try again and actually read.

I'm not saying my numbers are accurate. I'm saying they are pointing to a very different scale than what you tried to throw out from the top of your head. The census was done in the lodestone and only includes players who advanced their account in some way. For example gained minions and mounts, and added hp. People who are running extra time or buying a throwaway account for twintania are not out there questing and advancing their character.

The game is far from dying so it would be fantastic if people stopped fear-mongering.

Also, oh look, for NA, school is out now (4pm cst), look at all the white knights jumping to defend SE and put down anyone who provides proof/suggestions to improve the game. Notice how there were none an hour ago and earlier and now they're all jumping in attacking people who are saying what needs to be said about XIV that the white knights are too blind to see.

Making up numbers and fear-mongering about massive sub loss is now proof/suggestions to improve the game? Nah. Sorry if I upset you in any way. I tried to only discuss your argument instead of your person. But since I'm not in NA does that mean I'm not a visually impaired school kid? Also, nice try but the bolded part is what I was referring to with 700k, after skimming bots, inactives with extra time and throwaway accounts:

But the actual total of players is about 600k-700k (but 5 million accounts?), out of those 600k-700k, about 100k-200k are rmt. Out of whats left, theres about 100k or so that aren't actively playing and only have an active account because they bought extra subscription time. So, not counting rmt, people with 2 accounts for refer a friend and people who have extra time, there's really only about 300k or so.

Since you went to the ad hominem territory of poo-posting, I'm going to leave you by yourself. Have fun (although I'm guessing you won't) and good night!

[Souljacker]

Where and when did you argue this?
Your initial posted just made mentioned that WoD launched with 8 dungeons. That is it.

The very first post you selectively quoted back on page 11.

And finally, since you mentioned grindy content specifically - WoW's last xpac released with 8 dungeons at all difficulty levels. We have 2 in expert roulette and let me tell you, I have to force myself to run them to help friends because I'm so tired of the same two dungeons over and over again. I don't mind grinding content, but 2 dungeons for an xpac is hardly worthy of even being called content. Where's the expert versions of all the leveling dungeons we got that outside of leveling we haven't ever seen again?

I don't mind having back and forth discussions because that's interesting, but let's stay within the bounds of the context.

[SDaemon]

The very first post you selectively quoted back on page 11.



I don't mind having back and forth discussions because that's interesting, but let's stay within the bounds of the context.

Yes, re-read my edited post. Your initial post doesn't make that argument. All you mention is the 8 dungeons at launch and then go on to list content added in HW; the 2 dungeons, primals, Alex etc.

[Souljacker]

Yes, re-read my edited post. Your initial post doesn't make that argument. All you mention is the 8 dungeons at launch and then go on to list content added in HW; the 2 dungeons, primals, Alex etc.

I just quoted where I made that exact argument. You are just dragging on to try to make it seem like I said something else instead.

[Obysuca]

Anecdotal. Fc's always lose numbers and even disband, and simultaneously new fc's get created and they grow in numbers. Doesn't prove a thing about total subs.



http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...zean-Census%29

You must have missed this, in big bold letters at the top.

Which is something I'd love to see officially from SE...

Also let's not forget

Its nice but the results are still waaay too scewed by RMT and bots. I mean... as many as 15% have not even got the airship minion (havnt done MSQ to lv15) and 22% havnt subscribed for more than 30 days (cursor minion)

Out of those active characters, 728 189 have the airship minion from the level 15 MSQ. Either bots really love their minion collection or the active character count is still over twice as high as your estimate.

Considering this isn't an official one from SE, you can't truly say all 728k of those are active and not just running on extra time bought or 2nd accounts people got for refer a friend.
Twice as high as what I said? Try again and actually read.

But the actual total of players is about 600k-700k (but 5 million accounts?), out of those 600k-700k, about 100k-200k are rmt. Out of whats left, theres about 100k or so that aren't actively playing and only have an active account because they bought extra subscription time. So, not counting rmt, people with 2 accounts for refer a friend and people who have extra time, there's really only about 300k or so.

Also, oh look, for NA, school is out now (4pm cst), look at all the white knights jumping to defend SE and put down anyone who provides proof/suggestions to improve the game. Notice how there were none an hour ago and earlier and now they're all jumping in attacking people who are saying what needs to be said about XIV that the white knights are too blind to see.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Want more proof? Look at FC numbers. Seeing as you said you've only played for 6 months, you wouldn't have noticed it, since the current numbers are normal for you. But in 2.0, most FCS had about 50 active members online at a time, by 2.1 they were down to 30, then it kept dropping lower until about 2.4 when the majority of FCs, even the big 100+ member ones, only had about 10 or less active people online at a time. HW came out and it jumped up a bit, but now most FC are back down to 10 or less. And I'm not just giving my own FC experience, this is from viewing other FC's and other people's posts about the same issue.

My smaller FC has been just as active since I joined it. Larger FC's tend to have thepeople who join for flavor of the moment mmo's, and tend to cater to casual players who don't stick around as long.
I played the 1.0 version of XIV and had fun with it. I have enjoyed the 2.0 content, and now 3.0 is keeping me entertained. Maybe its just time for you to move on, since the dev's don't seem interested in moving the game in the direction you want.

[LunaHoshino]

I really hope you're not talking about low level dungeons and the lvl 50 ones lol People don't choose to do those, they do them because they want eso and only do them once a day. That's not "enjoying it at all levels."

Bzzt. Wrong. My FCmates and I run dungeons of all levels (usually multiple times a day) by choice, usually because someone is looking for a drop from them. The rest of us volunteer to go along because we honestly find it fun.

We've also all been playing for at least a year, so we're hardly "fresh new players." We have a few legacy players in our ranks, even. Most of us log in to play for 2+ hours a day every day.

[NoahArks]

I'm more annoyed by the fact that we only got three 24-man raids, and I'm expecting we will only get 3 this expansion too. A lot of people prefer the 24-man raid because it's fun. It doesn't really get boring as fast as 4-man or 8-man dungeons.

The thing that annoys be the most is the repeat of the base game. They're literally repeating what they did with 2.0. Are we expecting to have the same kind of gear/story/relic/dungeon progression like we already had for two years? That just has to change. Every time a big update comes in people return for a few weeks, but they leave since nothing has changed. If it continues like this FFXIV will basicly be a second FFXI, but prettier. No one except maybe 2-3 people in the low level zones, no one doing all content, no one doing things like 24-man raids, coils, alex or whatever they're going to come up with.

[DawnSolaria]

So what you are saying is that you like that you get to enjoy content and others don't? That shows a pretty toxic attitude that is sadly nurtured by this game. You're right I believe every game should have instanced housing because FFXI had it, it set the standard, and everyone should have EQUAL access to ANY content that is in the game we are all paying the SAME subscription for. Why are you so special that only you should get access to a house and not someone else paying to play the same game but maybe didn't get online right at server reset when new wards dropped? Or heaven forbid, started playing the game after everyone had already bought all the houses?

There's no debating with that kind of selfish attitude.

Because you enjoy things a certain way, you want to change it so that you enjoy it but some other people dont, how is this any less selfish?

[Croisciento]

It's funny to see people saying it's the player fault. I've never rushed anything but no matter which patch we were going through each time it was the same thing. The only thing that changed was the shape of the content but in the end we still eat the same things over and over. Many people, myself included kept up with this because we had something to look up to (ie raids or crafting). We still do but people like the OP are getting bored of the fact these things will no longer hold us onto the game.