What does Heavensward actually bring to the table as an expansion?

[Seryl199]

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I'm sorry you're taking it personally, but it's a topic concerning players who aren't satisfied with the content they have. You're more than entitled to defend the game, but who do you think will gain more traction in this topic? No one has bashed you, people are simply disagreeing with your opinion. And yes, opinions are fairly set in stone, I'd have no more success convincing a child that tomatoes taste good than convincing a player that proper glamour is the real fun of FF14. It's an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

Players have popped in to share their thoughts on housing, crafting, gathering, airships, flight, relics, EX primals, dungeons, gear itemization, jobs, leveling, raids, tomestones, whether for better or for worse. If the endgame is the most prevalent topic in the discussion, then maybe it really is the weakest part of the game right now. I sympathize that you've tried to suggest alternatives to players, but you said so yourself: there are different types of players that like to participate in different kinds of content. A casual endgame player is just as valuable as a hardcore raider, who is just as valuable as an omnicrafter. They all pay the same sub, and they all expect to get catered to. When they aren't, you can't just direct them to content that's designed to cater to a different kind of player. Sure, they may take to it, or at least tolerate it, but they know the kind of content that engages them the most.

We complain, not to circle-jerk with other dissatisfied posters, but because we want the game to succeed on multiple fronts. If the game keeps us happy, you happy, your friends happy, random scrubs in the DF happy, and still brings a steady influx of newbies, then things are going great! When people aren't happy, they're going to quit, because people don't like spending money on something they don't like. Some players might first voice their opinions, like what you see here. And sure, it may not be the most constructive of conversations, some like to throw their weight around for the sake of argument, others might offer new ideas without any idea how to implement them, and others just know that they aren't pleased and would like something to change, but it is all conversation. People are still tossing ideas back and forth.

Don't try to discredit us simply because we aren't happy with the same content you are. No one is trying to take away from your experience, we only want it to be enjoyable for both us and you, regardless of the type of content you like to play.

[Daralii]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...rent_state_is/

For people still in doubt that this problem discussed here is by a minority of players. Same topics being talked different community

For full context, the rebuttal post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ring_game_and/

[DawnSolaria]

Don't try to discredit us simply because we aren't happy with the same content you are. No one is trying to take away from your experience, we only want it to be enjoyable for both us and you, regardless of the type of content you like to play.

And if the suggested change does take away from the experience of those who enjoy it? A lot of complains and suggestions are valid, including too few endgame instance. But suggestion such as instanced housing does not sit well with those who enjoy current ward system. However when we voice opinion to support current housing system, im immediately bashed and called selfish. So am i only allow to voice opinion if it agrees with you?

[Evtrai]

For full context, the rebuttal post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ring_game_and/

I gotta say, I love how that thread responses can be basically resumed in: "I barely play the game so I'm not bored of it and nonone else should".

[Ryel]

And if the suggested change does take away from the experience of those who enjoy it? A lot of complains and suggestions are valid, including too few endgame instance. But suggestion such as instanced housing does not sit well with those who enjoy current ward system. However when we voice opinion to support current housing system, im immediately bashed and called selfish. So am i only allow to voice opinion if it agrees with you?

You're comparing two very different subjects, the key difference being the opportunity to experience the content and the promise of what was and wasn't provided.

Personal Housing was a feature advertised and promised since the end of 1.0 when Yoshida and the dev team were talking about new 2.0 content. Then when 2.0 hit they released Free Company housing with the promise that personal housing would not only be an entirely separate system but it would also be cost efficient and available for all players to acquire, neither of which turned out to be true.

Whatever happened on the development side we may never know, but what we do know is that things apparently didn't go as planned because they simply made the formerly Free Company housing system open to single player buyers instead of adding the advertised new system that they had been previously talking about, this effectively made it so that only a fraction of a percentage of the playerbase was able to participate in the content that housing offered.

What players have suggested is that if the systems couldn't have been made for everyone to have housing then perhaps the ward system should have been left to Free company housing exclusively while personal housing should have been made instanced, allowing every single player the opportunity to enjoy housing content. It should be the case that the only thing preventing a player from buying a house is simply a lack of availible funds, but the real estate available to house players should never dry up and disappear.

This is not the same as players talking about the state of content in other parts of the game that everyone has an equal opportunity to access already, it's not like were going to run out of spots to queue into Ex Primals or Alexander, or that they only allow x number of players to clear before they stop dropping gear.

If you were personally making comments suggesting that the current housing system is fair and balanced and should remain the way it is simply because you have a house i can see how that could lead some to interpret those comments as selfish.

Don't get me wrong however, I enjoy the housing wards as much as the next person and speaking as a player who runs an FC that bought a house when they were initially added i do like the system that is there, however I'm fully aware that the system as it is currently implemented isn't fair to the majority of the playerbase because there aren't enough plots for everyone.

That isn't something that should realistically be an issue in a game that people are paying monthly to play, your subscription fee in addition to buying the game and expansions should afford you the opportunity to experience all content provided if you so choose. Telling your paying subscribers there isn't enough for everyone while continuing to ask for their money and support simply doesn't work.

[Velhart]

Which is why I suggested implementing 3 difficulties, you have something for every group of people. I'd personally love for Alexander with the difficulty slightly above RavEX to be implemented, but I know plenty of people who are content with just seeing the story. I don't understand the mentality that people like yourself seem to have, why restrict people from seeing content? It has no effect on you, not from what I can tell anyway.

I don't agree, just Normal and Hard. I don't believe people should have everything handed to them in some form.