What does Heavensward actually bring to the table as an expansion?

[Reinha]

Want more proof? Look at FC numbers.

Anecdotal. Fc's always lose numbers and even disband, and simultaneously new fc's get created and they grow in numbers. Doesn't prove a thing about total subs.

Same thing can be said to you, no idea where you're pulling numbers from. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...e8ff1bcf34c5ae census shows nothing about 800k-900k.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...zean-Census%29

It's not official but it's the best source for estimating active players since SE doesn't release the info themselves. So, either every player has 3 active characters or your numbers were waaaay off. Luckily, it's not my burden to prove your claim wrong, but yours to prove it right. ^_^ So much doom and gloom on the forums these days.

Also let's not forget

Out of those active characters, 728 189 have the airship minion from the level 15 MSQ. Either bots really love their minion collection or the active character count is still over twice as high as your estimate.

Considering this isn't an official one from SE, you can't truly say all 728k of those are active and not just running on extra time bought or 2nd accounts people got for refer a friend.
Twice as high as what I said? Try again and actually read.

I'm not saying my numbers are accurate. I'm saying they are pointing to a very different scale than what you tried to throw out from the top of your head. The census was done in the lodestone and only includes players who advanced their account in some way. For example gained minions and mounts, and added hp. People who are running extra time or buying a throwaway account for twintania are not out there questing and advancing their character.

The game is far from dying so it would be fantastic if people stopped fear-mongering.

Also, oh look, for NA, school is out now (4pm cst), look at all the white knights jumping to defend SE and put down anyone who provides proof/suggestions to improve the game. Notice how there were none an hour ago and earlier and now they're all jumping in attacking people who are saying what needs to be said about XIV that the white knights are too blind to see.

Making up numbers and fear-mongering about massive sub loss is now proof/suggestions to improve the game? Nah. Sorry if I upset you in any way. I tried to only discuss your argument instead of your person. But since I'm not in NA does that mean I'm not a visually impaired school kid? Also, nice try but the bolded part is what I was referring to with 700k, after skimming bots, inactives with extra time and throwaway accounts:

But the actual total of players is about 600k-700k (but 5 million accounts?), out of those 600k-700k, about 100k-200k are rmt. Out of whats left, theres about 100k or so that aren't actively playing and only have an active account because they bought extra subscription time. So, not counting rmt, people with 2 accounts for refer a friend and people who have extra time, there's really only about 300k or so.

Since you went to the ad hominem territory of poo-posting, I'm going to leave you by yourself. Have fun (although I'm guessing you won't) and good night!