The Real Problem with Parsers

[Aiselia]

So your argument is that:

No, my argument is that you should think up a better argument if you want to convince SE of something. Telling them they should do something that will lose them money is not going to convince them.

I'm not even gonna start with how you think the DF is only for bads

Good, because I've never said that. What I have said is that if you don't want to deal with random bads, don't queue in a thing that can give you random bads.

wouldn't the bunch you're defending quit because nothing would get done?

I don't know, would they? You realize that taking things to an extreme is not an effective way to disprove an argument, right? Not everybody who's competent cares about whether or not a bad DPS is going to add 10 minutes to their DF run. So taking it to the extreme point of everybody is largely irrelevant unless you think that it's a logically likely scenario.

Not everybody that's competent is impatient.

unfortunately I think the reason a fair amount of people are like that is because of mistreatment. If there weren't jerks around who handled lack of skill on the part of their teammates ... poorly or in a mean spirited manner, I feel like a fair amount of the paranoid people would be a bit more open to helpful critiques.

(Preface: I'm agreeing) Brings to mind the phrase, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." One can call people paranoid that people will misuse the information and abuse others over it, but that doesn't mean that there aren't already historical grounds on which that paranoia is based. If people played another game with parsers in it and were subject to elitism and jerks (or even if not subject, witnesses to) in that, they have no real reason to expect that it'd be any different here. Like I think I said earlier in this thread (or maybe another one), I got kicked from a group in WoW because I was on a freshly-max level character and was running literally the easiest heroic dungeon at the time in order to start gearing up. The rest of the group was in raid gear and expected me to match their DPS, which was logically stupid and literally impossible. Do I have any reason to expect that it would be any different here? Especially considering it would be worse here because my queue for that dungeon was only like 5 minutes at the time. Here, it could be half an hour.

No one is entitled to the time of 3-7-23 other people.

No more than anyone is entitled to outright waste the time of even a single other person. If you kick someone from a group because of low DPS, you have outright wasted their queue time. If they then queue again, all you've done is displaced whose time is being wasted. If they get kicked again, more of their time is being wasted. Because you think your time is inherently more valuable than theirs.

There's an epidemic in society today that people think that it's okay to inconvenience others harsher than they would have been inconvenienced just because it's someone else.