The Real Problem with Parsers

[spelley]

@Hellzone: I simply disagree with your conclusions. The imbalances you mentioned aren't on the same scale as those often seen in other MMOs.

ALSO:

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Right?

Guys?

Seriously.

[Dante_V]

@Hellzone: I simply disagree with your conclusions. The imbalances you mentioned aren't on the same scale as those often seen in other MMOs.

ALSO:


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This

Guys?

Seriously.

So much this. Pulling sentences out of context and paraphrasing them is by far the weakest debate tactic available. Quote the other persons comment in context entiorely and address it.

[Kona_Nightwind]

I haven't read all the pages, so let me know if I have the general idea of what's going on.
1. Don't add parsers, they will make all the Hitler kick others.
2. No they won't it's a tool to help people get better.
1. Nope, the Hitlers.
2. 3rd party parsers are used by many.
1. They are Hitlers and destroy the game and should be banned for life.
2. It hasn't ruined they game yet and is almost necessary do to tight dps checks.
1. They are the 1%, they don't matter.
2. Yes they do.
1. Irrelevant, this game is turning into WoW.
3. Blah blah blah not balanced.
2. No and no.
1. What if Helen Keller played this game, you would kick her.
2. /facepalm.

[Subucnimorning]

I haven't read all the pages, so let me know if I have the general idea of what's going on.
1. Don't add parsers, they will make all the Hitler kick others.
2. No they won't it's a tool to help people get better.
1. Nope, the Hitlers.
2. 3rd party parsers are used by many.
1. They are Hitlers and destroy the game and should be banned for life.
2. It hasn't ruined they game yet and is almost necessary do to tight dps checks.
1. They are the 1%, they don't matter.
2. Yes they do.
1. Irrelevant, this game is turning into WoW.
3. Blah blah blah not balanced.
2. No and no.
1. What if Helen Keller played this game, you would kick her.
2. /facepalm.

This is pretty much it, 226 posts summed up very nicely.

[Whiteroom]

I haven't read all the pages, so let me know if I have the general idea of what's going on.
1. Don't add parsers, they will make all the Hitler kick others.
2. No they won't it's a tool to help people get better.
1. Nope, the Hitlers.
2. 3rd party parsers are used by many.
1. They are Hitlers and destroy the game and should be banned for life.
2. It hasn't ruined they game yet and is almost necessary do to tight dps checks.
1. They are the 1%, they don't matter.
2. Yes they do.
1. Irrelevant, this game is turning into WoW.
3. Blah blah blah not balanced.
2. No and no.
1. What if Helen Keller played this game, you would kick her.
2. /facepalm.

Yep, thread became a new low when people started using disabled people as shields.

[Aiselia]

Yep, thread became a new low when people started using disabled people as shields.

If people are going to suggest that everybody has the ability to play equally well, they'd better be including everybody.

Thread hit the biggest low when someone actually suggested that people with physical disabilities should just get over their medical problems and put out the same performance as people without.

Pulling sentences out of context and paraphrasing them is by far the weakest debate tactic available.

Then it's a good thing neither of us are doing that and instead just breaking it down into specific points so that it's clearer what we're responding to with what part of our post, since we've got like 10+ different points going at the same time.

At least, that's what I'm doing it for. Viridiana might be doing it to make the posts longer. >.>

[Havenchild]

I haven't read all the pages, so let me know if I have the general idea of what's going on.
1. Don't add parsers, they will make all the Hitler kick others.
2. No they won't it's a tool to help people get better.
1. Nope, the Hitlers.
2. 3rd party parsers are used by many.
1. They are Hitlers and destroy the game and should be banned for life.
2. It hasn't ruined they game yet and is almost necessary do to tight dps checks.
1. They are the 1%, they don't matter.
2. Yes they do.
1. Irrelevant, this game is turning into WoW.
3. Blah blah blah not balanced.
2. No and no.
1. What if Helen Keller played this game, you would kick her.
2. /facepalm.

Seriously. Once people started using disabled people as a reason against parsers, you already know they had zero credibility left. In fact, this thread has contained very few logical counter arguments that actually stood up on its own and largely the entire thread can be summed up with a player saying parsers aren't needed on a tank and non-DPS class, when he actually hasn't run any content that actually can be considered to even have a DPS check. Cute.

[Dante_V]

This game should have a built in private damage meter. Giving people the potential to see their performance and the tools to increase that performance are good ideas imo. Whether or not person x will or won't isn't relevant, giving all people the same potential is relevant.

[CGMidlander]

This game should have a built in private damage meter. Giving people the potential to see their performance and the tools to increase that performance are good ideas imo. Whether or not person x will or won't isn't relevant, giving all people the same potential is relevant.

If it's private, relative performance within context is lost.

A private parse would be an improvement over nothing, but still an incomplete solution IMO.

[Aiselia]

How's the old poem go? "To you from failing hands we throw/The torch; be yours to hold it high." Someone else must take up arms against the villainous scroll bar.

Anyway, we both seem to be agreed that parsers would be groovy if they didn't come with a side order of jerks. We just disagree about how many jerks there would be and how many jerks is too many.

If nobody suppresses the scroll bar, it might grow too large and then start harassing smaller scroll bars for not being long enough.

And yeah, pretty much. Heck, I might even disagree with SE's numbers too. Personally I think that a personal parser (particularly with optional sharing) solves the problem of not being able to gauge one's own performance with less chance of jerkitude happening, so I think that's SE's safest middle ground.

If it's private, relative performance within context is lost.

Which may not be necessary, particularly if you're not doubling up classes. If I'm doing 1,200 DPS as a BRD, it doesn't really matter to how good my performance is whether the DRG is doing 1,300 or 1,100. What would matter is what I do in comparison to other BRDs, which could still be ascertained by looking on the forum. If I look at the forum and see other BRDs are doing 1,300, I know there's room for improvement. If I look at the forum and see DRGs are doing 1,500, that doesn't mean I can improve as a BRD.

Even if there's two BRDs in the run, if I'm doing 1,100 and the other's doing 1,000, while I have the context that I'm doing better than the other BRD, I don't have the more important context of what a BRD can actually do if others outside the run are doing 1,300.