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    SeraviEdalborez's Avatar
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dererk View Post
    If they just buffed dps's dps and buffed tanks hate generation then we can leave the damage dealing to the dps and let the tanks get the crap beat outs them like we should be.

    But saddly people would still demand tanks to for more str.

    Wed need harder hiting tank busters to keep tanks in tank stance and get rid of the very high dps checks (Biz ex) to make things better.
    1) Hate generation has never been a tank problem.
    2) DPS doing more DPS doesn't make healer/tank DPS less important.

    Tankbusters don't even mess with tank DPS. You DPS just by doing your job in the first place. Stronger tankbusters has been the name of the progression game since 2.0. It doesn't matter because no fight has such constant damage outflow that "average" tank mitigation matters. It only matters for those busters and you have more than enough cooldowns for them no matter what your job is.

    Getting rid of high DPS checks isn't going to happen either because it's the only way SE knows how to design a fight. Too bad you can't have parsers to help refine play.
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    Nektulos-Tuor's Avatar
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez View Post
    1) Hate generation has never been a tank problem.
    2) DPS doing more DPS doesn't make healer/tank DPS less important.

    Tankbusters don't even mess with tank DPS. You DPS just by doing your job in the first place. Stronger tankbusters has been the name of the progression game since 2.0. It doesn't matter because no fight has such constant damage outflow that "average" tank mitigation matters. It only matters for those busters and you have more than enough cooldowns for them no matter what your job is.

    Getting rid of high DPS checks isn't going to happen either because it's the only way SE knows how to design a fight. Too bad you can't have parsers to help refine play.
    Increase DPS enough and you will rather take more DPS and have them tank it instead of a tank. Which happened in some MMOs. =)

    Which can happen here.
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    Sapphidia Wulfhaven
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Increase DPS enough and you will rather take more DPS and have them tank it instead of a tank. Which happened in some MMOs. =)

    Which can happen here.
    I think it was in Aion where the Templar was the designated tank class, but the difference in survivability between a plate clad shield-wearing Templar and a leather clad Assassin dpser was really small. At one point groups just werent taking tanks at all and were relying on Assassins to tank, simply because they did the most damage and it let them push encounter dps much harder.

    As a Templar main, my role was relegated to throwing on a two handed sword, gearing for crit, and being a DPS/offtank whilst the assassins did the maintank job. It wasnt fun.
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Agree with the OP. It saddens me that this is no longer something to laugh at, and instead became the way some people expect tanks to play.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)