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  1. #81
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    Mclyde's Avatar
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    Ingrid Krimhilde
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Good tanks increases continually their aggro on every mobs : dot + flash + shared aggro combo + aoe
    If their is one Aoe dps in the team, this player takes the priority cause he'll have the bigest dps (normally) and the other damage dealer should understand how to optimize the dps of his counterpart. He should let the dot or aoe finish the almost dead targets.

    If the team is composed by two non mainly aoe dd, the thing is to kill on target as fast as possible. The tank put some dot or random aoe on secondaries targets to prevent aggro issue and help to quickly take out the main target.

    (for Bards or Black mages there is too a solution to reduce their aggro)
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    Last edited by Mclyde; 08-22-2015 at 05:21 PM.

  2. #82
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    HakaseNyan's Avatar
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    Suzu Hakase
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 90
    These "Dear such and such" threads really never go well. Do they?
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  3. #83
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    Apricoth's Avatar
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    Apricoth Daenya
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    Excalibur
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    Rogue Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by SnugglesD View Post
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    It is all situational and your comment has a great deal to be desired. Of course the melee are going to AoE if they can do so. If there is a lower hp mob, the f'ing ninja should stop AoEing, finish that low hp mob (assassinate and mug if availabe) and then go back to AoEing if there are no other lowish hp mobs. With the single target finish off, that gives the melee's TP a chance to regenerate a bit. A ninja, and any other melee for that matter that is worth their salt, must be fluid and adaptable to the situation as it presents itself. As a ninja, I use to use Doton a great deal. I am finding that I prefer Katon since I can, more often then not, do over 1k damage per mob. I time it right, I can do it back to back. That does far more damage than Doton. Thanks burst damage.
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  4. #84
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    KaiKatzchen's Avatar
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    Kai Ulric
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    Siren
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    Dancer Lv 90
    I have to agree with Apricoth on this one - everything is situational. If you can AoE and there are multi-mobs being pulled then AoE, of course. But if there is one mob that is about to die then focus on just hitting it 1-2 times and be done with it. A mob sitting at 5% is still doing the same damage as one sitting at 45% so why would you want to wait for it to be killed off with AoE when AoE does a spread damage across all mobs and might keep up that mob for longer than necessary. Its all about changing tactics and adapting with the different needs of the fight going on.

    If people think there is only one way to do something, and if it isn't done that way they are bad DPS or wrong - well then maybe they need to be a bit more open minded and realize maybe that one way isn't always the best way.
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  5. #85
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    Lantia's Avatar
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    Tihomir Avesna
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    Lich
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    Bard Lv 65
    Quote Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen View Post
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    Well the answer is simple: AoE DPS who agrees with OP just would like to have high "dps" number as long as possible.... nothing more and of course nothing helpful....
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  6. #86
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    Airget's Avatar
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    Airget Lamh
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    Hyperion
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HakaseNyan View Post
    These "Dear such and such" threads really never go well. Do they?
    It's the tone, it a bit condescending since it comes off like the person is talking down to the other players. It be better to offer a suggestion, not something that comes off like a remark and if you have been doing it any other way you are wrong and should stop doing that. The idea that the one way he professes is the right way doesn't strike people in the right way because he the OP isn't offering a dialogue for conversation but rather proclaiming his belief as if it's the definitive truth and there is no room for conversation.
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  7. #87
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    Snuggles Doombringer
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Actually, it doesn't do more damage than Doton. The only time you use katon is if the mobs are going to die before doton wears off. Or if you want to use kassatsu, then you can use katon --> kassatsu --> doton. Kassatsu makes every single tick of doton crit, so using double katon is a huge waste.

    It's really not that situational. My point is that if you're one of those melee that purely single targets on a large pack, you need to git gud.
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  8. #88
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    Ulathskullsplitter's Avatar
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    Ulath Skullsplitter
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    Hyperion
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    So melee aren't expected to aoe? I main drg and if the pull is 4 mobs or more i always aoe. As long as the other dps is also doing aoe all the mobs will be dead before i run out of tp. On a big pull a drg fully buffed doing ht <rot, doomspike, and mixing in dragonfire dive and geirskogul does a lot of damage. I play on ps4 and don't parse but I assume that's got to be more dps than single target.
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  9. #89
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    Tihomir Avesna
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    Lich
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    Bard Lv 65
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter View Post
    So melee aren't expected to aoe? I main drg and if the pull is 4 mobs or more i always aoe. As long as the other dps is also doing aoe all the mobs will be dead before i run out of tp. On a big pull a drg fully buffed doing ht <rot, doomspike, and mixing in dragonfire dive and geirskogul does a lot of damage. I play on ps4 and don't parse but I assume that's got to be more dps than single target.
    I do not know the DRG AoE DMG but I know for sure that with Kassatsu -> Doton I will not use Aoe anymore but single DPS the trash down and only refresh doton..... All other AoE would be a waste of time and crit chance....
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  10. #90
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    Lumina Saita
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    Sargatanas
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    Goldsmith Lv 70
    Great idea. lets keep all 6+ mobs up til they all die at the same time.
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