Tank Balance

[Iagainsti]

And Ercaporte? You're so eager to complain about Paladin that you are literally blind to what it does well and greatly exaggerating its weaknesses. Iagainsti is right. You should chill out a bit.

The Writing is on the Wall

[Ercapote]

bit.

I'm a paladin since 2.0 in fact first class I ever picked and still having it on 3.0 with I lvl 189 and before HW I love my paladin. I don't bash paladin weakness I perfectly stated that they have lost of death weigh (abilities with no use) on top of them a class that needs some sort of fix/buff/ whatever...

paladins are on a great unbalanced place where we have 3 tanks, 2 are well designed 1 it is not. not only the other 2 tanks deal more damage, they also have just a much protection and defense they also provide more substantial raid abilities and even more helpful.

paladin weakness is not just 1 or 2 is pack of abilities plus the fact that it's outperformed by the other 2 tanks just fine, I just want my class to be rebalance, and be a normal position where I don't have to hear on a raid groups complain about my dps, or get kik out of raid group. I'm talking abiut avoiding exclusion and SE needs to fix that, because that's what they wanted BALANCE and right now PALADIN are not balance, they are out performed by the other 2 tanks and PLD just doesn't have the tools to change that because half of paladins abilities are DEAD WEIGHT

btw this post is about TANK BALANCE what did you honestly expect to find? why should I "chill"? if you are coming to a threat like this telling people to chill maybe you should just get out, I'm talking from my personal experience stating why paladins need a balance whether you agree or not with my opinion is your business. no offence.

[Phoenicia]

Snip.

Nothing against you Ercapote and I understand your frustration, but you literally changed two threads with different topics into the same discussion of how Tempered Will sucks. Which is annoying. This is supposed to be an objective thread that looks at the three tanks balance and how they fit the current meta and you turned into "oh the woes of the PLD's Tempered Will". Let us keep this thread relevant to its purpose, which is the three tank balance and not make it solely into "buff PLD plx pl0x".

In the other thread you asked me to explain how PLD's abilities are good. In this thread, I explained where the three tanks are "fine" and where they aren't. Check my post here.

PLD is still superior to the other tanks in terms of defense even in the magical heavy environment of Alexander Savage. Check this long post.

PLD's problem isn't that it is weak or the class is bad. it is the meta that doesn't need such superior defense (which is PLD's niche). But blindly balancing the class to match a current raid might add underlying problems in future raids. If PLD did the same DPS as DRK, not WAR, while keeping its defensive superiority, DRK will have no place in raids. I'm not even worried about WAR's spot since it is the only tank with the all too important slashing debuff! (Another problem on its own).

DRK is a worse tank than PLD in every respect. Only reason DRK is "relevant" now is because content allowed it. If future content requires any form of physical mitigation that isn't simply "Throw all your biggest CDs every 2~3 minutes", DRK will be the tank left out since WAR and PLD both do a better job at reducing damage.

[Ercapote]

I dunno, seems like 95% of the Paladin mains are happy with it, I guess just keep it the way it is?

I'm fine with that.

please go back to other threats on the forum and say that again.

They're true paladin users .

yeah I guess half of us here are just making up stuff because we are jelly of war, fun fact comment like yours are usually NON-PLD (war) user who have their ass confy and warm well place on any raid group while us PLD have to fight with a drk or not even because people are picking them over PLD. not that we need a balance, no... we jelly

[Iagainsti]

You're posts are more a rant based on false info. PLD is fine, maybe a enmity multiplier increase, but the abilities are not deadweight, you don't know how to use them efficiently. My tank partner is a PLD and had no problem in the current meta, currently have SA2 cleared, SA1 on farm and after FC vacationers come back we will progress without a hitch.

Just Reread your posts; you'll see that you have #nochill

[RecklessLion]

Your not out performed it just this content at the moment prefer dps which PLD do not have. And it sucks another tank with some dps showed up so PLD are no longer the favorite choice. That's what this really breaks down too. The moment square adds a mean boss that drops mad damage people will run back to PLD and Warriors will go back to being less favorable. If you look at the warriors buff it's not buff at all! Pretty much gave them the go ahead and be a dps that can heal it self here and there. Still the dps stance will not survive a mean boss......it's not noticed because it hasn't happened yet. Warriors dps, PLD support, and DRK I feel should just be another dps class honestly any how those are the rolls. Trying to balance out so all tanks can be used in all situation which they can will bring tiers no matter what. Utility and dps defeats dps that dps espically as a roll like tanking and true dps users are backing you up.

[Ercapote]

snip.

I do agree with you this time.

but...

the balance I'm asking is not dps, like I said in the other threat I don't care about dps, I'm a tanker because I want to tank, but the current situation on the game like you said our defense is not needed on the meta of the game so this leads to 3 tanks 2 work with the meta 1 doesn't. the hole TEMEPRED WILL arouse out of a comment that wasn't even aiming to that 1 specific ability, but whatever it was I read you comment and while I do agree with your point and same as everyone point here, what I'm talking about or what WE where talking about long ago on this threat is the DEAD WEIGH on pally and how that SUPREME defense was the excuse to make then weaker yet still is not supreme and wont be ever supreme, DRK is on a good spor the defense are well balanced and the dps too, I've raid with my lvl 60 drk and I can MT OT perfectly fine they have 2 CD just as good as PLD + magical CD + parry CD + cross class from war and pally making them have just as many CD as pally has + magic defense and reduction which is even higher. so I'm sorry but DRK are on a well perfectly balance place just as war.

[Ercapote]

You're posts are more a rant based on false info. PLD is fine, maybe a enmity multiplier increase, but the abilities are not deadweight, you don't know how to use them efficiently. My tank partner is a PLD and had no problem in the current meta, currently have SA2 cleared, SA1 on farm and after FC vacationers come back we will progress without a hitch.

Just Reread your posts; you'll see that you have #nochill

you didn't want Netflix and chill nor pizza with me so i'm #nochill

btw I do know how to use them efficiently and I'm on A3s the abilities just doesn't have much use.

[karateorangutang]

please go back to other threats on the forum and say that again.

I have been here the whole time and I've made many posts in favor of paladin changes. All of which have been met with people saying that they are completely happy with how paladin works. I've posted several suggestions in both of the current threads that haven't even been commented on. So yes it seems that most of the people who are playing paladin on this forum think that paladin is fine.

[Phoenicia]

Snip.

No, no, DRK defense SUCKS! 1 Magical CD doesn't make good defense. DRK using Shadowskin + DA+DM has 44% magical reduction, which is hardly better than Sentinel but at a massive MP cost. And only for magical damage. For physical damage DRK is down to Shadowskin and Shadow Wall. The latter being a crappy version of Sentinel. DRK's Living Dead is healer's Living Hell. Even with CC from MRD and GLA, DRK is at 2 defensive CDs less than PLD.

Read my other posts that I linked and you'll understand. I'll relink: I talked about those "situational" abilities in my post here. and about defensive capabilities in this long post.

P.S. How are you not running out your daily post limit with all those posts? Aren't you worried you're spending all of them on just telling how bad Tempered Will is? lol