Tank Balance

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

When more physical based fights come back PLD will shine again

Lets me hit you with some brain knowledge. Mitigation is moot. Nobody cares. As long as the tank is surviving then it is all gravy. PLD does not bring enough mitigation to allow for increased healer DPS and is not synergistic with any class really.

The problem PLD faces is utility, in the fact that it has none. You could make a fight physical damage heavy (AS2) and DrK/WAR would still be preferable.

So no. In PLDs current state you could tune an entire fight to its kit and it would still be the worst tank.

[LadyCeles]

U bring up good points but hg does allow more healer dps, and it has utility (str down debuff, clemency, stoneskin, devine viel, protect). In this current state it is the worst overall tank. But if ur a good player its still fine to play with. And with everyone SACing there fine for raid. I just cant wait for the buffs and hopefully poisoning pots. But overall it was a good post but nothing that i didnt already know

[Freyyy]

U bring up good points but hg does allow more healer dps, and it has utility (str down debuff, clemency, stoneskin, devine viel, protect)

HG allowing more healer DPS ? lol it has 7min CD and is generally used at very specific times in raid fights. Plus, a well-planned Living Dead can potentially bring more healer DPS than HG because they can stop healing the DRK for a longer period of time and just bene him at the end of the timer to cleanse the Walking Dead. It also has a lower CD.

STR down is shit because of the potency of the move its tied to. Plus it's unnecessary mitigation and doesn't bring anything to the raid (vs Delirium/Dragon Kick which is really good). Clemency is absolute shite. Stoneskin has the exact same flaws as Clemency and is weaker. Divine Veil is really weak for its CD, on top of being not practical at all and having the possibility to completely miss allies when MTing since it has only 15y radius. Protect ? lol

Yeah these utilities do exist but are useless. In its current state, you won't ever bring a PLD because "Divine Veil is so good for this fight !" or "Clemency is a really nice support for healers !". That's why they need a tweak.

[LadyCeles]

Im not trying to argue or say we are the best tank. Im just saying its not as bad as people are saying. This is more to see what buffs people want to see them have. I produce 600-700 dps MTing in shield oath keeping the debuff up without stance dancing. But obviously on these american servers u have to be "best class and gear" and who cares about skill. And even when they have ther "OP" team they still have to sac.Doesnt sound like a plds fault sounds like people should learn there rotations more. This is my last post. I wasnt bragging about PLD and i wasnt putting others down i was just trying to see what buffs people want..... damn

[Cheraa]

I produce 600-700 dps MTing in shield oath keeping the debuff up without stance dancing.

with the same effort you would bring 1.000 DPS as Warrior and 800-900 DPS as DRK.

We not only deliver the worst Raid Support of all three tanks, we deliver the weakest DPS as well!

[Brannigan]

Ya know,

It's pretty stupid that maim, berserk, and darkside all affect flash but fight or flight doesn't. Especially maim. Why is that all damage and not physical damage like FoF?

That is all.

[Freyyy]

Ya know,

It's pretty stupid that maim, berserk, and darkside all affect flash but fight or flight doesn't. Especially maim. Why is that all damage and not physical damage like FoF?

That is all.

Pretty sure that Maim and Darkside don't affect flash. Zerk only affects Flash because Zerk doesn't increase damage but attack power and Flash scales from attack power.

[Nadirah]

Ya know,

It's pretty stupid that maim, berserk, and darkside all affect flash but fight or flight doesn't. Especially maim. Why is that all damage and not physical damage like FoF?

That is all.

Actually, currently in an argument about this.

Got people trying to say FoF *does* affect Flash because FoF increases weapon damage.

Of course, no one actually has any math I don't think. Just dummy testing.

[Dhex]

Actually, currently in an argument about this.

Got people trying to say FoF *does* affect Flash because FoF increases weapon damage.

Of course, no one actually has any math I don't think. Just dummy testing.

Flash scales off Attack power FOF doesn't modify Attack power so yeah I think they're wrong... but I'd have to look.

[Donjo]

Flash scales off Attack power FOF doesn't modify Attack power so yeah I think they're wrong... but I'd have to look.

It's nothing so complicated as that.

Fight or Flight specifically increases Physical Damage.

Flash is a Magic Spell.

Therefore, Flght or Flight does not affect it.