Are we really getting a Dps parsing dummy?

[Kaurie]

How would this help anything? Many servers already have many toxic issues adding something that tells my damage info to people will only make things worse. There was people in pf on my server that were kicking people out of Day 1 content ON DAY 1 because they didn't access it yet and others that look for insanely high item level to even be in the party. Adding this would only further the toxicity on some servers. I'm all for personal development but honesty this doesn't need it, maybe if some of artificial difficulty was removed and content was actually made challenging then yes it would be good. But until then no, we don't need more elitism.

Out of curiousity, do you find it worse to kick someone on day one of content for not playing their class well enough to clear the content OR to have people play so horribly bad that after 2 months they are still pulling numbers like they were 80 ilvls lower and 10 regular levels lower?

[Jetstream_Fox]

Out of curiousity, do you find it worse to kick someone on day one of content for not playing their class well enough to clear the content OR to have people play so horribly bad that after 2 months they are still pulling numbers like they were 80 ilvls lower and 10 regular levels lower?

Kicking someone on day one of content for not playing their class well enough to clear the content is basically like going to a new job and being let go day one because you may not have yet understood everything that must be done in order to fulfill the workday. This damages the overall health of the community and furthers the glaring aspect of segregation that plagues this game.


As a Bard when they added WM to our skills I didn't know how to really use it well because the game didn't offer me any training on it. I was pulling low numbers because of it, it wasn't until I reached out to a friend who was a bit more further into the story and more in tune with the class that I was able to see how to use it right. A parser wouldn't have done anything in this situation because like I pointed out they don't truly encourage grown.

So kicking someone because they're new and not as experienced at content as you or I and kicking someone who may truly not have a full conceptual grasp of his or her skills is honestly about the same.

[Kaurie]

As a Bard when they added WM to our skills I didn't know how to really use it well because the game didn't offer me any training on it. I was pulling low numbers because of it, it wasn't until I reached out to a friend who was a bit more further into the story and more in tune with the class that I was able to see how to use it right. A parser wouldn't have done anything in this situation because like I pointed out they don't truly encourage grown.

A parser would help you. You could test trial and error on alternate methods to see how to improve and watch your numbers change. You could even figure it out in 1 dungeon run if you were really trying. You could see how your numbers compare with other bards that you get partnered up with and ask 'hey, how are you pulling those numbers, advice please?'

You didn't answer my question though. I will for funsies.

It is far worse to have a whole bunch of subpar dps than be kicked from content once on opening day. If I was kicked 2 months ago, I would be well over it by now. However, every single day on roulette I am paired with subpar DPS that makes the run go slower. Further, I no longer play my SCH or PLD (two secondaries which I used to love playing), because I am always paired with horrible DPS. At least on my SMN, I can be certain that 50% of the DPS will be acceptable. The 12 minute DPS queue is now less than the added time for being paired with horrible DPS on my PLD/SCH.

[Jetstream_Fox]

A parser would help you. You could test trial and error on alternate methods to see how to improve and watch your numbers change. You could even figure it out in 1 dungeon run if you were really trying. You could see how your numbers compare with other bards that you get partnered up with and ask 'hey, how are you pulling those numbers, advice please?'

I can test trial and error without parsing. I learn to do that by playing the game, I'll admit some people flat out refuse to do anything then a 1-2-3 chain and slow people down, but again parsing wouldn't help if the player doesn't care. But parsing doesn't tell you when to use everything, it doesn't pop up on the screen and tell you to activate every buff you have. With WM for example it's entirely situational, or it was before they changed it a bit, but a parser wouldn't tell me to use the skill on on movement heavy fights. I have to learn to maximize myself for the situation, parsing just shows my damage, not how to boost it on the fly like in a boss for a first time run. All the parser does is show you a number, it's essentially a ruler, a tool to measure numbers, but it doesn't do anything else, it doesn't go get you the hammer, paint and the nails to complete your project.

Furthermore even if they did implement one just because players can hit a required mark, doesn't mean raiding or the general feel of the game will become better, mechanics and familiarity still pay huge parts in the game. Players will still continue to kick out players for being new, segregate the community and if parsing were implemented ask for some obscured way to show proof. Imagine a ps4 player like myself having to show a pc player that I can hit that 5000 dps mark, it wouldn't work unless everyone could see, turning the game into nothing but a elitist community stagnating everyone's progression.

If dps checks and such are this much of a concern then maybe we as players should tell SE to actually implement proper training when new skills are unlocked and have training simulations of different types of combat situations so players can learn and understand things better and witness them in a environment that is designed to help them.

[Malevicton]

I can test trial and error without parsing.

not as effectively

[Eekiki]

not as effectively

Well, if you're an idiot then yeah, you may need a dummy that's smarter than you to tell you what's happening.

But for those of us with functional eyes and functional brains that can process the images those eyes receive, yeah, we don't need a parser to know if we're doing things correctly.

You do realize the info is provided by the game, right?
Parsers just put the information in a more readable format.

That's as maybe, but they're still third party software that's still against the ToS. And here's hoping they stay that way.

[jumanjilover89]

Well, if you're an idiot then yeah, you may need a dummy that's smarter than you to tell you what's happening.

But for those of us with functional eyes and functional brains that can process the images those eyes receive, yeah, we don't need a parser to know if we're doing things correctly.

its always funny to me how the anti-parser crowd plays the "toxic elitist community" card but is always the first to spew condescending stuff like this lol

[Malevicton]

Well, if you're an idiot then yeah, you may need a dummy that's smarter than you to tell you what's happening.

But for those of us with functional eyes and functional brains that can process the images those eyes receive, yeah, we don't need a parser to know if we're doing things correctly.

That's as maybe, but they're still third party software that's still against the ToS. And here's hoping they stay that way.

...Really? I'm not saying it's needed, but it's additional information. More informed decisions are always more informed, just tautologically.

[CGMidlander]

That's as maybe, but they're still third party software that's still against the ToS. And here's hoping they stay that way.

They're against the ToS because allowing 3rd party programs (which are not developed by SE, so they have no control over what goes into them) would mean opening up a lot of loopholes for abuse -- not because using them is inherently bad.

That's why YoshiP didn't flat out say "No, they're bad"
https://youtu.be/3-WXYg-S05U?t=6m1s

[Kaurie]

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I honestly don't understand how you cannot tell that parsing would assist you in improving yourself. You won't notice if doing "x" improves your DPS by 50 if your dps hovers around 1000. With a parser you would, then you'd work that into your rotation. Then you could try "y" which also improves your DPS by another 50, and again you wouldn't notice the difference without a parser. However, after those two things you'd be doing 10% more damage than before.

It's definitely up to debate. However, I'd rather play in this elitist community than the lazy community we currently play in. I'd also like to be able to complement people for great DPS in dungeons without the risk of being banned. I'd like to have an in-game parser so that PS4/3 users could have it and see how they are doing without having to ask a PC player. I'd like to be able to identify issues and address them rather than blindly failing DPS checks over and over again without any idea why.

I've personally played WoW, FFXIV, GW, GW2, and Tera. I wasn't able to parse in GW2 and it, by far, had the most elitist community. WoW has, conversely, the least elitist community that I've played with. Obviously everyone's experience will differ, but I've seen infinitely more elitist people here than WoW. I recently tried out WoW again and said "Hey, never been to this dungeon before" and it was an older one now. Everyone said "No problem, just follow along ". I see a lot of elitism in FFXIV and not having a parser doesn't do anything to help. It's a figment of your imagination if you believe that elitism is not in this game due to it.

Anyway whatever, we don't agree. I sure hope they add a team-based parser and not something where you can only see your own dps or a special area to test in.