(Un)Official Summoner Feedback Thread [3.0 Edition]

[AdamFyi]

Just popping in to say; hey, I remember that quote!

Person A: "Hey I like the Egi designs! How about you?"
Person B: "OH MY GOD. THEY ARE DISGUSTING. JUST LOOK AT THE POTATO-EGI, THE CHILI PEPPER AND WET NOODLE."
Person C: "Oh my god, I know right? They need to change it. Make them bigger!
Person D: "But lore.."
Everyone: "SHUT UP YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER. LET US SUMMON FULL SIZED PRIMALS. MRGRGR. SE FIX IT."

Just to clarify so as to not confuse people, this was a joke towards those who wanted full-sized primals. Most posts related to that reflected that attitude which resulted in the post above. Please don't take it out of context. This is from the poster of whom was referred to in particular:

We're a cheap imitation, we can't even form the primals power in a way that resembles their physical incarnations like every other Final Fantasy series summoner has been in very game, numbered or not, It makes sense as Arcanist's but to become Summoners and not even be able to conjure the physical form of the things we intend to summon?

With that aside, I'm all for making the current Egi's slightly larger. A redesign would be welcome as well; if it means they'll look more appropriate for the job. But, I won't deny that I actually like how they look right now as they're quite cute when they're tiny like that. o//o

[AiiroOkami]

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For all the fights in FFXIV so far, the best summon was either Garuda or Ifrit. Since Heavensward, Ifrit is almost the only one you use, Radiant Shield is too good to don't care about it.

The fights are straight forward, you are a tank, you tank, you are a healer, you heal, you are a DD, you do a lot of damages.
So I will repeat it again, you can have as much pets as you want, we'll only use the best one, because we are DD and our job is to do the more damages we can, I won't use a less powerful pet just for the sake of "diversity". And I don't really see in what our gameplay will change if we had more pets, the pet does almost everything by himself and you use his other skills by just clicking on it, the gameplay won't change at all.

That's why the pet glamour system is the best solution, you just see a graphic change so you can see other models while having the best pet.

[SoloWingMetatron]

What I don't understand is why the Egi glamour topic keeps going around in the exact same circle of reductive rhetoric.

I get that people are worried the Egi glamours might not stand out and just be a mere clones. But regardless Egi glamours are confirmed now, so if we do ever see a new pet type it won't be for a long while. Furthermore people are again still forgetting that Garuda and Titan are already glamours of Emerald/Topaz Carbuncle, and other then the model design people are fine with them....so it's pretty much an oxymoron at this point.

Perhaps it would be best to wait and see exactly what SE are planning for the Egi glamours before falling back into the same rhetoric because it's not constructive to just repeat the same thing again, and again, and again. Don't get me wrong I adore the Egi and the prospect of new Egi (glamour or not) but there is far more Egi related stuff to talk about than just whether you want the new Egi to be introduced as glamours or not.

At least Carbuncle upgrading to Garuda/Titan gave a potency boost.

This is an interesting point because it shows that even though Garuda/Titan are just glamours of E.Carby/T.Carby, their abilities potency can be altered without effecting the coding of the original pet. This suggests that SE would be fully capable of editing the potency of the abilities for each Egi glamour, just like they did for Garuda and Titan.

[Saggo]

So I will repeat it again, you can have as much pets as you want, we'll only use the best one, because we are DD and our job is to do the more damages we can, I won't use a less powerful pet just for the sake of "diversity".

Yes, well, if we're just repeating ourselves, the best pet doesn't have to be the same for every fight.

What I don't understand is why the Egi glamour topic keeps going around in the exact same circle of reductive rhetoric.

Because it's the only thing SE has made any comments on. And I never liked the idea as a replacement solution for actual new pets. If it's the only thing we get, I'll still prolly use it, but that doesn't mean I'll just give SE a free pass.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Because it's the only thing SE has made any comments on. And I never liked the idea as a replacement solution for actual new pets. If it's the only thing we get, I'll still prolly use it, but that doesn't mean I'll just give SE a free pass.

Oh yeah if you don't like an element of a job or how it is implemented you have a right to express that dislike/worry. My point is we know nothing on exactly how this glamour system will be tackled and therefore no one can really form a well grounded opinion on that front. So instead of repeating oneself (which adds nothing new to the table) just wait until we know more to see if peoples previously expressed worries are justified. Which they could be, who knows.

But if this thread is going to be truly constructive, then more depth needs to be added to peoples posts. Like in the first initial posts to this thread or in my previous comment how I mentioned how you brought up a good point about Garuda's/Titans's ability potency being increased, despite them just being glamours of E.Carby/T.Carby and what that could mean for the new Egi glamours. I don't get why you didn't focus on that to help get a good and actual constructive discussion going instead of keeping it to the same cycle of comments.

[Saggo]

My point is we know nothing on exactly how this glamour system will be tackled and therefore no one can really form a well grounded opinion on that front.

We can still make some pretty simple educated inferences. From their responses we have every right to assume it's no different than armor glamour, since they actively opposed something like Summon IV+ and made no mention of models modifying potency or behavior. It's logical to comment on their official statements. If they do a system like that, it won't be because of anything they've told us as of this time.

But if this thread is going to be truly constructive, then more depth needs to be added to peoples posts. Like in the first initial posts to this thread or in my previous comment how I mentioned how you brought up a good point about Garuda's/Titans's ability potency being increased, despite them just being glamours of E.Carby/T.Carby and what that could mean for the new Egi glamours. I don't get why you didn't focus on that to help get a good and actual constructive discussion going instead of keeping it to the same cycle of comments.

Forgive me if you weren't initially responding to me, but I'm aware of what Carby->Garuda does, considering I brought the point up in that very context. I wouldn't call them "just" glamours, their two functions of changing models and increasing potency are distinct from each other, especially since SE gave a pretty clear precedence with armor glamour. They're essentially pokemon evolutions, and yeah, that would be a neat system not a lot of MMOs have.

But I was being plenty constructive enough. New Summons aren't invalidated by peoples' need to use the best; a simple, and constructive, point. You latched onto what was clearly a side remark and are trying to force a conversation out of it when I was obviously talking about something else. I don't need a lecture because I didn't acquiesce.

[Dyvid]

Well I've posted this over a dozen times now over the years and SE just ignored it but I'll post again because of what MCH got.

Garuda = AoE pet
Ifrit = Single Target pet.

[AiiroOkami]

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This is incredible how stubborn people can be.

SE tries to balance every job in the game, adding new pet is just too tricky.
For the sake of balance, new pets will just be useless or too OP. If they don't want that, they'll have to just add new models and animations but remain the same pet system as we have now, wait... that's the pet glamour system !

Investing time to make new pets is just useless, they can't make new type of pets (I will repeat myself again) because it would be either useless or too OP and the balance of the game will be broken.

[Bishop81]

wait... that's the pet glamour system !

Ya ... but where is it?!

They won't even confirm it for 3.1!

I have been waiting since ARR to be able to summon the carbuncles again.

[Senliten]

Ya ... but where is it?!

They won't even confirm it for 3.1!

I have been waiting since ARR to be able to summon the carbuncles again.

Soon
Til then, dress yer local lala up as a primal and bark orders at it. XD