PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Casper]

What's the point of that video? To show that PLDs do less damage than WARs and DRKs in the same situation? I don't get it. That PLD wasn't even parsing particularly high for a PLD. Nor was that WAR parsing particularly high for a WAR. There are better videos out there if you are trying to show PLD MT DPS.

Well show me your videos ? What i just showed you is a Pld that is MT and thus is forced to use tank stance much more than the war, yet does only 120 less dps than the war. In the same situation the war would not have parsed much higher than that Pld. And i don't think the DPS of those two tanks is "subpar" or anything; it's not the world highest (especially since people got more gear since), but it is very competitive. Are you trying to be offensive just for the sake of it or do you have anything to back up your ridiculou claims ? Show me the videos of War being MT as much as this Pld and parsing Oh so much more than him with similar gear ? I just showed you hard evidence yet you continue saying "WAAAH WAAAAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU PLD SUCKS BOUHOU" without providing any proof.

And as for A2S. DRK parses are ~900+. WAR parses are ~1200+. PLD parses are ~600+. I don't think that helps your point.

The hell ? The point is mitigation. A2S parses mean NOTHING and you now it, it is one of the fight in the game where there is the most padding possible. Once again bad faith and intelectual malhonesty, that's all you are providing to this discussion.


Edit: Oh hey actually let me use arguments like yours. Actually Pld parses on A1S are 1300+. On A2S they are 2300+. There are better videos than the videos you are saying are better than my video. True story.

[karateorangutang]

I can't believe this "I tank with this job so it's the best and able to do everything" thread is still happening.

Can we just drop this til more raids come down the pipe and we have some actual real data to look at. People are just in here writing on emotions toward certain jobs. I think we'll see some adjustments in 3.1, but until then over 90% of this thread is conjecture and defending of jobs without any real points.

I can't believe this thread is still going lol.

[Casper]

You know what ? I can't even find a video of this fight without a Pld where a parser is on. That's how little Drk are taken in that fight.

You have A1S that favor Drk, A2S Pld (i'm sorry you can be in denial all you want, almost everyone and their mom are using a Pld instead of a Drk in there given the chance), A3S Pld, and A4S Drk.

Yeah, War is the OT of choice, i'm not saying they are not in a very good place -- but both others are actually quite competitive, and used as MT for half the raids. What is the issue again ?

Edit:

"Solo tanking" is a real possibility depending on the content and the gear.

Jesus christ i want to see you solo tank A1S opressor, A2S, or A3S so bad now. Pleas show me how good you are. Again, video, show me how usefull your post was, show me the meat of your argument, show me this wasn't YET another bad faith and intellectually malhonest argument. Please. Show me i am wrong and you are not just using whatever you can, even if it is nonsense, to try to prove your point.

[Reynhart]

Jesus christ i want to see you solo tank A1S opressor, A2S, or A3S so bad now.

"Solo tanking" is a real possibility depending on the content and the gear.

Of course, if you have only the minimal required gear and several big hitters, solo tanking is not for today.
I'm pretty sure A4 normal can be done solo tank with good coordination and Rav EX has already been done that way (Even with a solo AST heal, too )

[Casper]

Of course, if you have only the minimal required gear and several big hitters, solo tanking is not for today.
I'm pretty sure A4 normal can be done solo tank with good coordination and Rav EX has already been done that way (Even with a solo AST heal, too )

Dude, please, we are talking about real content here. A1S and A3S are not solo tankable during 3.0, period. A2S and A4S might with an insane amount of echo and gear using weird tactics, but that won't be optimal anyway and you will lose more trying to do it than going 2 tanks.

As said you are just both using arguments that make no sense to reply to well documented and rational opinions. There is a name for that.

It is called trolling.

[Reynhart]

Dude, please, we are talking about real content here.

And this is called elitist crap

[Casper]

And this is called elitist crap

No it's not. Who the hell care about the dps difference between Pld and Drk on A4 normal and Ravana ? You can clear those with a string of potatoes for crying out loud. Last time i went into A4 i was the second dps in the group as a warrior, and i would have been at the same position as a pld or drk. Three dps just were so subpar that it didn't matter. Still cleared it. 5% here and there in class balance is much less relevant in that content, if anything, because you have 50+% differences coming out of player skill alone, so really, no one in their right mind should give any thought about silly tiny class balance thing like this at this point. It is not even "git gud" at this point, it is just "git not terribad plox".

So yeah, Alexander savage is really the only place relevant when discussing such tiny changes in class balance. It is not elitist crap, it is being the tiniest bit realistic. Not your strongest suit given your track record of posts in that thread, i will grant you that.

[Brian_]

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No, I don't know it, because DPS is A2S still matters. It's not like Faust where the splashed damage doesn't do anything. You are still killing stuff with your AoE DPS in A2S. The 300~600+ DPS you lose from the PLD has to be made up somewhere. I've heard cases where that was the difference between clearing it and not -- a PLD that switched to DRK for that fight. I don't know why you are bringing up mitigation, we were talking about PLD getting left behind in AoE enmity and damage -- hence the discussion about War Drum or adding damage to Flash.

And now that I see your edit, are you actually accusing me of making up those numbers? Seriously?

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...cussion/page20
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...-thread/page17

I'm not like most posters here who blatantly lie to prove a point.

As for the A3S video -- Here is why it matters. Discounting the first 150 seconds of the parse because the PLD is exclusively in Shield Oath and the WAR is just DPSing, the PLD ended up parsing 658 through the final 630 seconds. The WAR parsed 717 in the same period. During that period of time, they're both doing roughly the same stuff though the WAR does make a huge mistake, gets knocked into the electricity, wastes maybe 11 seconds of his Berserk due to being stunned and needing to run back in, and is paralyzed for 30 seconds (and by no coincidence his DPS drops like a rock during this time period). So, in the end, the WAR still ends up doing 60 more DPS and lives through everything just fine. I don't think it's productive to compare two players like this in a vacuum since there might be a difference in skill but still. If, hypothetically, you only needed 1 tank, which would you pick? The one that lived through everything and did 658 DPS or the one that lived through everything and did 717 DPS? And that's disregarding the PLD's dependence on the WAR for the slashing debuff (or a NIN, but then you would have to factor in their DPS loss).

[Launched]

No, I don't know it, because DPS is A2S still matters. It's not like Faust where the splashed damage doesn't do anything. You are still killing stuff with your AoE DPS in A2S. The 300~600+ DPS you lose from the PLD has to be made up somewhere. I've heard cases where that was the difference between clearing it and not -- a PLD that switched to DRK for that fight. I don't know why you are bringing up mitigation, we were talking about PLD getting left behind in AoE enmity and damage -- hence the discussion about War Drum or adding damage to Flash.

PLD has their own advantage in aoe fights: block. The majority of damage in a fight like A2 Savage is physical, and PLD has a chance to block all of it. It's even kinda reliable because there are so many hits coming in. You don't get to take less damage like that and also do good aoe damage unless WAR/DRK get some kind of mitigation buff on groups too. If you're in an aoe fight where stuff hurts a lot, take a PLD. If you don't need the mitigation and want to clear faster, take DRK. You can clear with both of them. They have their own advantages and they shouldn't be made the same. What happened to all the PLDs arguing that they were better for speedruns because they took less damage and let the healer DPS, even though they didn't do much themselves?