PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Izsha]

Waiting for 4 stacks delays zerk by 6gcds. 18 seconds. Also delaying ir by 18 sec. You just nerfed ir by 30% and zerk by 20%. Delaying CDs is the same as sitting on them. Would you let zerk and IR sit unused for almost 20 sec in the middle of a fight? He'll no. So why would you do that at the start? It's a massive damage loss over time. Waiting to zerk for 3 fcs is delaying the use of zerk (damage loss) to try to get a slightly more efficient use of zerk (3 fcs). It's like staying locked in 1st gear. Sure you accelerate fast but your just burning all your gas in the long run and won't win the long game.

[Reynhart]

Waiting for 4 stacks delays zerk by 6gcds. 18 seconds. Also delaying ir by 18 sec. You just nerfed ir by 30% and zerk by 20%.

Except that you need to apply Maim and Storm's Eye before Berserk and Internal Release or you're missing a lot of damage. So they'll "sit" for at least 3 GCD anyway.

So you only have 10% more critical for one non-buffed Heavy Swing, 8% more for one-non buffed Maim, 6% more for one partially buffed Storm's Eye (and whatever fully-buffed skills you use before your next combo), 4% more for the next fully-buffed Heavy Swing and 2% more for the next fully-buffed Skull Sunder.
Besides, by using Vengeance or Raw Intuition in your pre-opener, you'll also delay their free Abandon stack during your rotation, and waste the free Abandon stack of Berserk.

Problem is, your opener only works with a very precise coordination with everyone's pre-opener buff and only if the main tank isn't "puller-happy". So it only brings more "artificial" numbers since you won't always pull this up in real fights. It's exactly like doing a PLD/DRK MT parse without considering their DPS increase from Shield Swipe (Before 3.0) or several Low Blows. And your opener is "better" only if those first hits crit in this small percentage.

In the video, PLD's rotation is at least one that can be used whatever the fight is as long as the target don't go away.

[SpookyGhost]

Yeah, for dummies, Faust, A1S, A3S, and possibly A4S (if you're OT I think keeping RI for Quarantine is worth it :V) you want to open with:

Pre-Infuriate -> Vengeance -> ~10s left -> HS -> Maim -> [Brutal Swing] -> SE -> [Pot] -> HS -> [IR + Berserk] -> FC -> Infuriate -> FC -> [Raw Intuition] -> SS -> BB -> HS -> Maim -> [Brutal Swing] -> Eye -> Fracture -> FC > Pacified

Or something to that effect.

Anyway a DPS comparison video on a dummy is a bit of a weird thing to do in the first place. So many variables to account for, so many runs you'd need to balance any exceptionally high or low crit runs... just way too much to account for and then find an average of. The same goes for actual fights, so many variables to be accounted for. I dunno. I'm just waiting for the inevitable patch where they change things with the tanks and seeing just how much they change (if they change anything at all outside of threat modifiers).

[Nadirah]

LB penalty? New one to me....

[Praesul]

As a ARR WAR main, I was really excited about the PLD changes in heavensward. The first class I played in this game was GLA, because I knew from the beginning I wanted to tank. After playing it for a bit, I decided to give WAR a shot sometime before 2.2? I think? Fell in love and didn't look back. I kept both jobs geared just to be more versatile, but I preferred WAR.

So when I saw what PLD was getting in HW, I was so hyped. I also loved the "knight in shining armor" trope, but was bored by PLD's play style. So now they get new combos, shields, an inner beast equivalent, and a HEAL! I thought to myself, there's no way any raid group will ever choose not to take a PLD, their shit is OP....

Man was I wrong. PLD utility is barely useful, sheltron is really nice but pretty meh in alex savage, and their damage is the lowest of the 3 tanks. It's disappointing to me, because it was the first job I got to 60. Yeah, things can be cleared just fine with a PLD, I've never been kicked from a group for playing PLD, but it bugs the shit out of me as a minmaxer.

If nothing requires PLD's supposed high defense, why take it? DRK and WAR can MT everything a PLD can more than fine, while doing more damage. You can argue "but PLD can also clear everything in the game just fine!" until you're red in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that PLD doesn't really offer much other than taking slightly less damage over long periods (which does not = extra healer DPS, because the amount of damage taken is still so significant even on a PLD that it barely makes a difference)

I've leveled WAR to 60 now though, and I'm working on DRK. They're more fun, tank everything more than fine, and do more damage, so at least I have that...

[Valkyrie-Amber]

bumping my thread as this is still an issue why should 2 tanks be superior out of the 3 if you only ever need two tanks for any duty in the first place?

[Tyrial]

bumping my thread as this is still an issue why should 2 tanks be superior out of the 3 if you only ever need two tanks for any duty in the first place?

The only thing two of the tanks are "superior" at is pushing DPS on bleeding edge content. Stop being a baby and suck it up. If you don't like playing PLD anymore and it's a "joke" go roll another class...I hear WAR is pretty awesome.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

sorry but tanks shouldn't be so far apart in dps and that is this threads issue.

A tank is a class who grabs all agro holds all mobs in a spot and lives with healers and their own defense cds.

But due to only 3 tanks many would pick the two dps kinds over pld due to pld is worthless dpswise even if they can tank all mobs no problem if a dark can do same and kill mobs like 20secs faster.

[Tyrial]

sorry but tanks shouldn't be so far apart in dps and that is this threads issue.

A tank is a class who grabs all agro holds all mobs in a spot and lives with healers and their own defense cds.

But due to only 3 tanks many would pick the two dps kinds over pld due to pld is worthless dpswise even if they can tank all mobs no problem if a dark can do same and kill mobs like 20secs faster.

No...people pick the kind of tank that they're most comfortable running with. Go find yourself a static and stop the fussing. If you're good at the class you play people aren't going to care that you're PLD instead of DRK or WAR. Seriously, grow up lol all this thread is is you being upset that you can't do everything better than everyone else.

[Praesul]

Check out all the WAR mains telling PLD and DRK players to grow up.