Enjoy Summoner before it gets nerfed...

[Buff_Archer]

It's too big for 24man..saehuashrfasgh.....

True, but on the other hand that can give you opportunities to duel players more than otherwise if you and they happen to be enroute to the same objective. Of course if it's you vs a DPS + Healer duo then that wouldn't be balanced as well so traveling solo still isn't the best approach.

I got to duel someone on that 24 person seize match last night even, I was the last member of our party traveling in a short line through a choke point and a NIN tried to gank me on my mount, while everybody in front of me kept going forward because they didn't see it. This would probably have been a free kill for him in pre-HW Frontlines, but I feel like we were more evenly matched than ever so before with all his instants vs. mine. I used my whole arsenal of relevant PVP and PVE skills, and had him dead before I even got to cast my deathflare on him and I had to sadly watch Dreadwyrm Trance expire with no one left around to kill. He had a good chunk off my HP bar too, and I think it's perfectly fair for me to have been able to counter him as I did. Just because a NIN has hide and lots of stuns and other instants to use against me doesn't mean that should be an instant win vs a caster.

[Gaiussenpai]

Smners should be renamed to boogeyman in pvp.

[Hammerfist]

Right now Tri-disaster is literally a second limit break available every 60 seconds; if you also count the Bane to all targets, all the high-potency instant skills (Fester, Energy Drain, Painflare, Deathflare, Enkindle...), Shadow Flare and the pet for annonying people, the dots that kill you while running away, Miasma that reduces healing magic and Tri-Bind that locks you in place, it's obvious that Summoners are way too OP right now.

[Sunako]

Miasma that puts heavy on you

Miasma heavy do not even work in pvp. It nerfed like 1.5 year ago.

[Monoman]

True, but on the other hand that can give you opportunities to duel players more than otherwise if you and they happen to be enroute to the same objective. Of course if it's you vs a DPS + Healer duo then that wouldn't be balanced as well so traveling solo still isn't the best approach.

I got to duel someone on that 24 person seize match last night even, I was the last member of our party traveling in a short line through a choke point and a NIN tried to gank me on my mount, while everybody in front of me kept going forward because they didn't see it. This would probably have been a free kill for him in pre-HW Frontlines, but I feel like we were more evenly matched than ever so before with all his instants vs. mine. I used my whole arsenal of relevant PVP and PVE skills, and had him dead before I even got to cast my deathflare on him and I had to sadly watch Dreadwyrm Trance expire with no one left around to kill. He had a good chunk off my HP bar too, and I think it's perfectly fair for me to have been able to counter him as I did. Just because a NIN has hide and lots of stuns and other instants to use against me doesn't mean that should be an instant win vs a caster.

Look at it this way, not only were you jumped, but you were also mounted and you won as a ranged dps with skills to spare. Now imagine if both of you had the support of a group, who would be faced with a greater amount of risks? Hell, flip the tables and you jumped him while he was mounted, do you think he could turn it around?

Either that is hands down the worst ninja on the face of the planet or summoner truly isn't as balanced as some people seem to let on, Though I'm inclined to believe both are the case.

Edit: Forgot quote.

[LStarbreeze]

Miasma heavy do not even work in pvp. It nerfed like 1.5 year ago.

I hate this, especially for SCH. At least SMN has Tri-bind.

[Guesswhat]

Please nerf. Ridiculously OP. Walking deathmachine with a 60 sec certain kill LB.

[Cynric]

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No it shouldn't be an instant win, but he ganked you, you had a disadvantage you were heavy'd and fighting a melee in close range. He should have killed you. But not only did you walk away with health to spare you also had cooldowns/buffs to spare. If things were even his opening burst with you not being healed would have killed you, even as a tank I've seen that summoners are a bit OP'd but I mean. This isn't the first time summoner has needed to be nerfed.

[Maxwell]

I dont feel a single SMN being OP. They are strong yes. 3+ in group however..... The usual problem of class stacking.

I do enjoy the sense of power SMNs get nowadays. Makes them cocky. I see them often charge at groups. Easy kills ! Nothing takes down a SMN down a notch like a Skewer(-40% INT) followed by a rotation while he is held in place with double stun/weapon throw (heavy).

[morerancor]

Those are bad players the issue are good ones getting the most out the class . Even 1v1 one , one pet slap and your in a very bad spot.