Enjoy Summoner before it gets nerfed...

[gzuscry]

That's silly.
SMN have to use all their cooldowns

And..... cd's are there to use them they are not resource to hoard, BRD's are gimped by design. We are basicaly lvl 50 skillsets in lvl 60 skillset match. WM in PVP is so unusable unless enemy is so stupid that he is sitting duck afk'ing. 30% increase is not even jokingly comparable to BLM to even think that i should stand still 1.5 seconds to prepare skill, by the time I do the WM barrage combo plus Empyral arrow plus sidewinder, enemy is out of my range or he is killed by another or im killed - tried a few times and not even touching it again. Give me possibilty to 1 shot every minute on BRD and ill gladly trade all the 51+ skills that we were given. Good riddance

[kisada]

smn is definitely op but most people don't play it to its potential anyway. before the new mode started i personally thought it would be exclusively dominated by smns and everyone switching to it, but that hasn't been the case. other jobs definitely could use more buffs, but simply being on the job and breathing the air isn't a game-changer on smn. you still need to play at a really high level to make that kind of impact, as with any other job.

[Monoman]

All jobs should be balanced around 4v4 wolves den. If you start balancing 1v1 everybody, it will be endless circle and somebody will be always op and somebody underpowered. 4v4 will have rated rankings in 3.1 so it is only place where balance actually matters. If healers can easily keep everybody up, fight will last 4ever and it is not fun either.

Healers are God tier so if the developers want healers in line they would make adjustments accordingly imo. Giving summoner the best tools to take out a healer makes little sense when you may not have a summoner.

[Fyce]

And..... cd's are there to use them they are not resource to hoard, BRD's are gimped by design. We are basicaly lvl 50 skillsets in lvl 60 skillset match. WM in PVP is so unusable unless enemy is so stupid that he is sitting duck afk'ing. 30% increase is not even jokingly comparable to BLM to even think that i should stand still 1.5 seconds to prepare skill, by the time I do the WM barrage combo plus Empyral arrow plus sidewinder, enemy is out of my range or he is killed by another or im killed - tried a few times and not even touching it again. Give me possibilty to 1 shot every minute on BRD and ill gladly trade all the 51+ skills that we were given. Good riddance

In shot terms: "My job is so bad that I want to kill everyone in 3 skills!"

You've a strange way to look at how balance works.

[Guesswhat]

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Also, if anything, MNK are a great counter against SMN (probably the best counter tbh).

Shoulder Tackle his face right after you get hit by Tri-disaster, use the stun time to cleanse all your debuffs if available, stun him again with Steel Peak, and then One Ilm Punch him (may need a few uses) to make him completly useless (loss of Aetherflow or Bahamut stacks = dead SMN), then proceed to finish him. Weapon Throw if he tries to sprint away. Use Somersault or Perfect Balance for instant One Ilm Punch fun.

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I'm a SMN myself, and I can easily say that MNKs are one of my primary target just for that reason. I usually have to kill them ASAP or else I'm dead.

Read the post I quoted from (myself), and you know what you said is true. As MNK I find SMN and BLM easiest to kill.

[Vaeria]

smn is definitely op but most people don't play it to its potential anyway. before the new mode started i personally thought it would be exclusively dominated by smns and everyone switching to it, but that hasn't been the case. other jobs definitely could use more buffs, but simply being on the job and breathing the air isn't a game-changer on smn. you still need to play at a really high level to make that kind of impact, as with any other job.

A-any other job? -_- You and your 500k+(not 300,..500) dmg smn (YES KISADA I SAW IT IN RANKINGS ....but didn't ss it!) In this case..YOU, not the job, needs to be gimped -_-

[Leigaon]

SMN has the highest possibility to do burst damage ina a very low frame time, but after they popped all, they have just to wait 1-2 min to get another kill

That's the trade off we get, I SCH and SMN in PvP I can destroy most people in there with my combo, but after that I'm on the opposite side of the coin. It's powerful but you can counter it. DRG are the thorn in my side as a SMN..the jumps, the stuns. Of course there are counter measures for that too, but that's how PvP is

Summoner is powerful, but you can do other things to screw up our rotation. Just got to think about it....and when you do, we aren't a major problem.

As MNK I find SMN and BLM easiest to kill.

I forgot about you guys..Oh damn you MNKs. No that shoulder tackle..I see nothing around me and then all of a sudden Shoulder tackle and flying fists of fury. I swear you MNKs save that limit break for me, I see Stun (I got materia on lol) then it's just so fluid they do their LB and I'm gone. Sometimes, sometimes I can get Garuda to push them back but otherwise..man..evil.

Or the WAR who sets up the SMN even if it's another smn for me to attack..they are not going anywhere.

Then there's purify like someone said. There is no just one answer..you can get around it. just need to know what you're doing. Most can't figure out how to handle these situations, they're waiting for "Hey Guys Mr. Tell-you-wtf-to-do-so-you-don't-have-to-think here..." and those are the ones who die.

[Domira]

SMN is fine I don't see the problem.

[gzuscry]

In shot terms: "My job is so bad that I want to kill everyone in 3 skills!"

Not everyone but I want my full range of given skills to be viable in pvp. Problem with this and every other mmorpg of this type is that its impossible to tweak pvp in game where no single mechanics logic is universaly apliable. Even though I understand it pefectly im still raging over to let steam out. They will never ever balance pvp in this game, its simply mathematicaly impossible, they hope that ppl devised tactics will overcome the shortcomics of impossible tweek. And actualy I dont realy care. I come from Quake3 arena and counter-strike 1.6 generation, so i always have this empty feeling in games where your individual skill has near zero effect.

[Vallhallix]

Going superman on a player is so much fun. I love it. I usually Tri-disaster and pop fester, painflare and energy drain quickly afterwards and deathflare when someone is really annoying and watch them run if still alive lmao. No more getting surprised by a melee and being defenseless! Though smn even before the upgrade had better defenses against melee than say blm specifically because of less stationary tools + the pet which you could easily put on rouse + spur and enkindle a melee while running and ruining/bio'ing/miasmi'ing/energy draining virus for good measure as Garuda still hits the target. It's always been easier for SMN to overwhelm a target without even having all dots up if everything is timed right.