Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Noira]

So wait you're complaining because someone took the time to explain mechanics to a new person and you kicked them ?

Lets say that new person caused a wiped because they didn't know what to do. You would have bitching about that.

I pull based on dps....don't tell me to pull faster if you lack the dps or heals to keep the speed run going. Don't pull for me, sure the first time ill take it off because I will give the benefit of the doubt, after that pray my healer friend tosses you a heal.

[Fynlar]

I would like to point out that also just because a party COULD potentially handle more mobs at once doesn't necessarily mean a tank is comfortable with it.

A lot of times, I will just have a headache, or sensory overload in general, and not be willing to subject myself to big ass pulls for the sake of not making it worse even if I know the party could handle it. Regardless, I still feel like that needs to be respected, just the same as if I can see for whatever reason that the healer/DPS is struggling to keep up or they actually request a slowdown, I (as the tank) should respect that instead of just ignoring them and continuing to go at a faster pace.

That is why it made it all the more shocking for me when I ran The Wanderers Palace HM for the first time:

Me (paladin): "Hey guys, this is my first time. Please explain anything I need to know."
*no response*
*proceeds to tank up until the first boss*
*randomly booted from party without a single word*
Me: "What..."

I mean, what the hell man? What was I doing wrong? I was tanking, I didn't die or anything. The only thing I can think of is that I wasn't doing big enough pulls, but I was pulling 3-6 mobs at a time!

That's pretty silly because you literally can't pull that part of the dungeon any faster than that; the area is gated 3 times before the boss in order to prevent people from pulling the entire segment like how it's possible in normal mode.

Instead, the vote only came up after the tank purposefully stood outside the final boss room in an attempt to cause the scholar to die for initiating the fight,

Yeah, he probably did that because he was fed up with the SCH for doing shit he shouldn't have been doing, like that. I would have done the same thing too.

Fair, next.

[RemenantStrife]

So wait you're complaining because someone took the time to explain mechanics to a new person and you kicked them ?

Kicked for not entering the last boss room on purpose (as he admitted due to the scholar pulling the boss), if you want to type instructions for copperbell hm last boss its probably as simple as "kill small then big", or you could just leave it since these days the fight is a tank and spank and the mechanics won't 1 shot anyone at any point so again, mechanics are a non issue, even enter the room to type them while the scholar and myself do the boss, take as long as you like to type the instructions then, and when finished you can participate

[randysquirrel]

Although someone was new, what actually needs to be explained on the last boss of Halaitali lol? make sure you activate the rod that comes up to free the people, if you don't they will be hit with minimal damage that is easily healed thru?

aside from that, one thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread AFAIK, is despite there being a lot of negativity to dps pulling new mobs before the tank (which I generally agree with) also have to consider now, that dps have lots of buff timers to juggle now, and a tank going at an unnecessarily slow pace can be annoying. OK it doesn't happen very often, but it's annoying to see my enochian and UI timers almost out, waiting for a new mob to cast my bliz IV on, only for tank to stand around itching his butt

[Israacf]

I only pull when I have some sort of stack, buff, or something that's important and it's about to run out :P but I always apologize when I do so, which is rarely. (Because mostly I do it when I'm with friends)

[Valenth]

I play on PS4, so I only bother typing at times when I have my keyboard plugged in as otherwise its ridiculously slow to get anything said, but the pace at which you moved wasn't the deciding factor in the removal, that's the side issue, not entering the boss room is the main issue as had you entered, obviously there wouldn't have been a kick and the dungeon would have been completed, nothing said or done, just moved on

Reality of it is, had you entered the room, its a clear, no harm no foul, instead you stood outside and seem to pass blame to others

Neh, you'll find in my previous posts I'm often saying I understand if people find me a jerk for letting the SCH get what's coming to him as I was explaning the tactics. I'm also saying I can understand your frustration. Actually, through a bit of self-mockery you'll see I'm taking potential blame quite a bit. Now, am I to understand you were unable to type? Can I assume your SCH friend was as well?

Maybe me not entering the boss-area purposely as the SCH pulled is, for you, the main issue. The main issue for me, besides some dents in my pride, is the abuse of the vote-kick feature. I can be sympathetic if the SCH pulled out of frustration over the pace and scolded me for it... but he didn't, he and you didn't say a word. Instead, again without saying a single word, you kicked me, knowingly abusing the vote-kick feature. Am I to blame myself for you and the SCH for mis-using the vote-kick feature? To me, that is an even bigger issue than me being a bit stubborn and letting your friend tank whatever he is, very purposely, pulling.

Anyway, what you consider equal to AFK or Offline and what they actually mean are not the same. Wether I was kicked for AFK or Offline, both were false and against the written rules of this game. We can both try to raise sympathy for our cause as much as you want to the end of days, but as I said before, yours and mine can be crossed away against each other and only that *ahum* legal issue remains.

[saber_alter]

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no, he's complaining because he got kicked for trying to explain mechanics to a new person, and 2 party members were impatient prats.

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i would try to explain to you how wrong you are, but i really don't feel capable of explaining it right now.

Although someone was new, what actually needs to be explained on the last boss of Halaitali lol? make sure you activate the rod that comes up to free the people, if you don't they will be hit with minimal damage that is easily healed thru?

first boss.

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doesn't matter, pulling threat is the tanks job. if you want to be the one pulling hate, level a tank.

it was synced at 50. no HW buffs were available anyway.

[Tuathaa]

It's a pretty common opinion that every player should experience the game through a YouTube channel before they que for anything and if they don't then they deserve to get kicked.

[RemenantStrife]

snipping

Legal issue, going to be honest and say SE don't even ban the bots, nor do they do much about the guys who sit in cities spamming "buy my gilz" messages, so thats not even a real issue, im only replying to the thread because I felt the issue was misrepresented and nothing wrong done

Part of my other issue is that I don't feel anyone should need their hand held through easy content, much more effective to just try the fight and learn that way, hell I would have preferred to try and then wipe than wait for all the explanations as at least it would have been time spent doing something (although admittedly, even you are aware im sure that the mechanics are a non issue these days)

Ps. Thought Sabers post was funny, tagged someone asking what needs explaining in the last boss, answers with the first boss lol

[Shalan]

Part of my other issue is that I don't feel anyone should need their hand held through easy content, much more effective to just try the fight and learn that way, hell I would have preferred to try and then wipe than wait for all the explanations as at least it would have been time spent doing something (although admittedly, even you are aware im sure that the mechanics are a non issue these days)

Pardon me for stepping in here, but wouldn't that have taken even longer than simply explaining the mechanics and then finishing the boss in one go?
Having to fight, wipe, come back, explain something so it doesn't happen again, then fight a second (or third if they still didn't get it down right) time tends to take a lot longer than typing, even if the typing is slow.

And to me, as someone who's only been playing for a few weeks mechanics aren't a non-issue. Even if a team decides to burn through a boss and ignore them it's still good to know what they are in case something goes wrong, you can avoid a secondary effect, or just know for future's sake.

Preferably the new person should check up on fights before entering a dungeon but you shouldn't be throwing people under the bus just because they haven't.