[DRK] Wanna know why Unleashed & Abyssal Drain are both needed?

[Kleys]

Because while Abyssal Drain deal slightly more damages for a slightly higher mana cost...

...Unleashed:
- Doesn't consume your Dark Arts buff (that you'll most likely use for a Carve and Spit)
- Doesn't break your combos, and this is your only GCD having this property.

I've been wondering why people never mentioned that in any of these QQ-DRK-threads so I thought you guys just didn't know.
This is extremely helpful in A2S, where DRK is -spoiler alert- (once again since A1S) the best tank.

[SpookyGhost]

This is extremely helpful in A2S, where DRK is -spoiler alert- (once again since A1S) the best tank.

How do you figure that?

[Disc]

Depends on what you're looking for, but DRK offers some of the highest DPS a tank can achieve in A2S due to their abundance of AoE abilities. PLD is a much safer choice for Waves 7, 8, & 9 if your group prefers to alleviate pressure on healers.

[Ditto]

Depends on what you're looking for, but DRK offers some of the highest DPS a tank can achieve in A2S due to their abundance of AoE abilities. PLD is a much safer choice for Waves 7, 8, & 9 if your group prefers to alleviate pressure on healers.

Warriors do more AOE damage than Drk's, at no cost.

You try to capitalize on your AOE damage as a Drk and you'll have no MP left for the next pull and wont be able to control AOE enmity anymore. Thats sort of.. worse than doing mediocre at best AOE damage.

[Kleys]

Warriors do more AOE damage than Drk's, at no cost.

You try to capitalize on your AOE damage as a Drk and you'll have no MP left for the next pull and wont be able to control AOE enmity anymore. Thats sort of.. worse than doing mediocre at best AOE damage.

Could you... learn to play before spouting such nonsense?

I'm really getting tired of all this bullshitting from DRKs that can't even manage their MP/TP.

DRK isn't even that hard to play.

And yeah, 1020 DPS as a DRK in A2S for my very first down, having done a lot of mistakes due to pressure and yolo'd last wave. I've yet to see a WAR doing more than this, while I could've gone for 1050 (without any DRG or NIN in party) if not more.

[Phoenicia]

And yeah, 1020 DPS as a DRK in A2S for my very first down, having done a lot of mistakes due to pressure and yolo'd last wave. I've yet to see a WAR doing more than this, while I could've gone for 1050 (without any DRG or NIN in party) if not more.

Congratulations, you used an ilv 200 weapon to pull 30 DPS lower than the WAR in my previous FC who used an ilv 190 weapon: Video here. I skipped to the end of the fight so you can see the parse.

It's a first kill video and neither of the WARs was "trying" to max DPS.

[Kleys]

Congratulations, you used an ilv 200 weapon to pull 30 DPS lower than the WAR in my previous FC who used an ilv 190 weapon: Video here. I skipped to the end of the fight so you can see the parse.

It's a first kill video and neither of the WARs was "trying" to max DPS.

Please. You don't pull out 1000+ DPS as a tank without trying to max out your DPS. He simply failed at maxing his DPS since it's a "first kill", which is my case and that's why I claim that I could've done more (even more than 1050 now that I think about it, 7% crit is really bad luck), but well, considering how low your healers' DPS is, I don't think it's worth it to push tank's DPS too far. Tank DPS is nice but if you're just pushing your DPS by sacrifying twice more DPS from healers, it's not worth it at all. My healers are just casual players without any 2.0 raid experience, yet 327 DPS from them against 240 from your healers. I think you got my point.
(I've seen healers doing more than 450 DPS with a WAR doing 1000 DPS, so... do the maths)


@LordHousewife,
Most servers first teams and even the world first party were using a PLD/WAR setup in A1S. But, PLD is extremely bad in A1S, while DRK is amazing. So, why were they using this setup? It's simple: they were too busy competiting for world/server first instead of trying to figure out whether or not new jobs are balanced enough to be played in savage. (*cough* AST *cough*)
They didn't bring DRK in A2S for this exact same reason. And also because PLD/WAR is perfectly fine in A2S. Not to mention that A2S isn't harder than A1S.
But as you might've been aware of, A3S is harder than A1S/A2S, therefore the world had time to investigate those new jobs, and guess what? World 1st & 2nd A3S teams both used a DRK/WAR setup (and one of them even used a MCH! *cough* still no AST *cough*)
So please, don't bring me this kind of argument. People just didn't know how to play DRK until now, and, hmm, well, most of them still don't know.

I've highlighted in red why Unleashed is good. Not consuming a DA is a thing, but my main point was that it doesn't break any combos, which allowed me to continue my combos from the last cleared wave on another mob of the next wave, thx to Unleashed, which is pretty much the same for WAR and their Steel Cyclone.
This, plus the fact of having a self-targeted Enmity AoE AND a ranged-targeted Enmity AoE being really helpful in A2S, led me to create this thread, because I couldn't have done things that easily if I had only one of those skills, so I believe they're both needed.

Also, it is very rare but WARs sometimes have to use Flash, just as rare as DRK sometimes have to use Unleashed, but since Unleashed is simply much better than Flash, DRK don't have to bother picking Flash in their cross-class skills, so why would you want to remove it? If you have a decent tanking experience, you should be aware of the fact that a ranged-targeted AoE isn't enough, neither is a self-targeted AoE. So what's so wrong with having a GOOD self-targeted AoE? Shall we remove WAR's Steel Cyclone?

[Ditto]

Could you... learn to play before spouting such nonsense?

I'm really getting tired of all this bullshitting from DRKs that can't even manage their MP/TP.

DRK isn't even that hard to play.

And yeah, 1020 DPS as a DRK in A2S for my very first down, having done a lot of mistakes due to pressure and yolo'd last wave. I've yet to see a WAR doing more than this, while I could've gone for 1050 (without any DRG or NIN in party) if not more.

Maybe you should go play with good Warriors first? And while you're at it, learn how to play Drk yourself if you honestly cant see the usefulness in the two different abilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6cqbBWBhpA

Go ahead. Just watch his parse. And that's with an i190 weapon. This is all while bringing better mitigation than Drk brings.

[Kleys]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6cqbBWBhpA

Go ahead. Just watch his parse. And that's with an i190 weapon. This is all while bringing better mitigation than Drk brings.

I'm almost always using Xeno's videos to clear endgame content since T10 so ofc I know this video and what a very good WAR is.

But I was talking about DRK vs WAR, not me against good WAR players. Xeno is a much better WAR than I am as a DRK, but at least I know how I could've done things better if I was just as good as him (and had larger hands), and that's what leads me to say that DRK is able outDPS WARs in A2S while mitigating damage well enough to all healers to have a very high DPS. Not by much, of course.

I don't get what's so wrong with DRK's mitigation in this encounter. It's not that different from PLD, and WAR is rarely using Inner Beast or Storm Path in this fight so how is he providing "better" mitigation than DRK? I didn't felt squishy and my healers didn't have much troubles keeping me alive.
One thing for sure, Abyssal Drain with always 25% drain would be much stronger than a WAR with Berserk & Blood Bath on, because it would be always 25%, could be stacked with Blood Bath, and Abyssal Drain doesn't consume TP. WAR may have Equilibrium, they can't spam Overpower while DRK can spam Abyssal Drain. I'll still try today with Blood Bath instead of Awareness (since none of the mobs ever crit in this fight), just to have a taste of what it could've been if Abyssal Drain actually constantly drained HP.

1020 DPS? I smell a merged parse.

I don't know what you mean by "merged parse", but here is my first-down run with my parse if you're interested:
http://youtu.be/utU-iZqURAc?t=615



Anyway back to the Unleashed & Abyssal Drain topic...

If some people still don't understand that Abyssal Drain can't solve every situations and that every tanks needs at least 2 different AoE in this game, there is nothing we can do about it, experience will teach them.
Now I also believe that SE could've done things slightly differently to prevent these skills from being so redundant, but as of today I've yet to see a good suggestion that isn't gamebreaking. DRK doesn't need to be "better".

Abyssal Drain is 15y.

Radius is 5y.

[Lorielle]

Much prefer having PLD over DRK for AS2(Assuming your OT is WAR anyway, normally is). For the mentioned already, just to help alleviate some pressure for the healers. But it more comes into play on Wave 9. PLD can HG at a certain point and I'd not have to worry about healing them and focus the Co-Tank versus 1 LD where it will more than likely cost me a Benediction after getting the most out of its function. Then there's just Paladin's overall mitigation.