[DRK] Wanna know why Unleashed & Abyssal Drain are both needed?

[LordHousewife]

1020 DPS? I smell a merged parse.

Btw Abyssal Drain with always 25% drain would be absolutely OP. DRK lack self-healing abilities, yes, but a GCD-Free-Enmity-AoE-Damaging-Heal? 10/10 Square Enix needs you.

I am going to be blunt and say you have no idea what you are talking about at all. At a 25% drain rate, for this to hit as hard as a standard Non-DA Souleater, this would have to hit 9 enemies.

Is the skill broken? No.

Would it be better with this change? Yes.

Is it still trash? Yes.

[Disc]

Warriors do more AOE damage than Drk's, at no cost.

You try to capitalize on your AOE damage as a Drk and you'll have no MP left for the next pull and wont be able to control AOE enmity anymore. Thats sort of.. worse than doing mediocre at best AOE damage.

Salted Earth alone is a massive DPS boost for DRK at no additional cost. Unleash/Abyssal drain will be spammed often just for hate, and see extra AoE damage put out for DRK just because that's part of what it does. If you attempt to approach A2S as a single target fight you're going to have terrible hate, MP issues from lack of Blood Price returns, and terrible damage.

Congratulations, you used an ilv 200 weapon to pull 30 DPS lower than the WAR in my previous FC who used an ilv 190 weapon: Video here. I skipped to the end of the fight so you can see the parse.

It's a first kill video and neither of the WARs was "trying" to max DPS.

Looks like 23DPS lower to me, and over 350DPS higher than the second WAR. You’re right though. DRK is garbage only pulling 97.7% of the DPS an OT WAR pulled in an entire encounter.

The reason why it is used so often in A1S is due to the magical tank buster that DRK can effortlessly mitigate with DA Dark Mind + Shadowskin stacked with Delirium 100% of the time, guaranteed.

That's a terrible reason to use it considering it's the weakest actual mitigation combo of all 3 tanks. The benefit of DRK over PLD is mainly in phase 1, before you see the tankbuster.

1020 DPS? I smell a merged parse.


I am going to be blunt and say you have no idea what you are talking about at all. At a 25% drain rate, for this to hit as hard as a standard Non-DA Souleater, this would have to hit 9 enemies.

Souleater is the closer on a three part combo. Hitting nine would allow you heal just as much in a single GCD, or three times as much in three GCDs. That would be a very significant heal without DA requirements.

[LordHousewife]

Souleater is the closer on a three part combo. Hitting nine would allow you heal just as much in a single GCD, or three times as much in three GCDs. That would be a very significant heal without DA requirements.

Yeah if you have 9 enemies it's really efficient. If you hit 3 in 3 GCDs you just spent more mana than you would have on DA Souleater and healed for less overall. I don't see the problem with it either because it's not significant enough to be considered broken.

[Disc]

Yeah if you have 9 enemies it's really efficient. If you hit 3 in 3 GCDs you just spent more mana than you would have on DA Souleater and healed for less overall. I don't see the problem with it either because it's not significant enough to be considered broken.

If you used three Abyssal Drains in a row on three enemies you also did an average of 360 potency per GCD, a net gain of something like 280 potency for a total expense of 1148 more mp than you would lose with DA+Souleater. The MP cost of each GCD would be completely negated by a single round of Blood Price from those three mobs. That's basically a worst case scenario, the strength increases exponentially with each mob added to the pack. On a group pull you could go from 1000-full MP while doing significant AoE damage and basically giving yourself a free Cure every GCD.

It's not a big deal because this sort of thing would never happen, but developers do have to consider these scenarios to maintain balance. Why would I ever bring a WAR or PLD to a dungeon if DRK is invincible while doing high AoE damage? Dark Arts is our limiter.

[Phoenicia]

Looks like 23DPS lower to me, and over 350DPS higher than the second WAR. You’re right though. DRK is garbage only pulling 97.7% of the DPS an OT WAR pulled in an entire encounter.

Eh? Why does my point fly over everyone's head or the comparison is taken out of context?

Kleys claimed, and in absolute terms no less, that DRK is the best tank in A2S because it beats WAR in DPS giving an actual DPS number. I wanted to point out that it is a baseless claim by linking a video of a WAR, with a weaker weapon, doing more DPS. Even if it is 2, not 23, not 40, DPS more, it's with a weaker weapon.

So if DRK isn't doing "more" DPS than WAR, and its physical damage mitigation is far worse, in a heavy physical damage fight no less, how is it the best tank? Hence, my point. Numbers can be found in my other posts.

Let's not turn this into "my shlong is bigger than yours" because that's not my intention.