Vote-kicked for explaining 1st-timer tactics and having impatients get what's coming

[Chiramu]

Why did the new guy vote to kick you is the thing though? Two people would not be enough to dismiss a party member, so that new person kicked you too.

I do dislike people that are impatient with explaining strats. The impatient people themselves don't even know how to play or how to do the strats >.>(had an impatient SMN in Qarn and did not dps bees AT ALL, despite the numerous times I've said, "dps bees", not to mention he could not even keep his dots up all the time on bosses...) I would have left that DBag if I wasn't helping FC members out.

Irritating that there are players like this though.

[Malevicton]

Why did the new guy vote to kick you is the thing though? Two people would not be enough to dismiss a party member, so that new person kicked you too.

Two people is enough. It takes a majority of the people who are able to vote, which doesn't include the person being kicked. So in this case 2/3

[Catwho]

Or the healer knows that he could heal through it even if you use absolutely no cooldowns. Communication should always be the first thing to happen if you don't like how your tank's pulling, but I'm also kinda tired of the whole tanks-are-automatically-the-leader-and-whatever-they-say-is-law mentality. It's a big part of why we have so many entitled tanks. Just because they're the least played doesn't make them more important and/or delicate.

It also has to do with how enmity works. It's much easier for a tank to grab and hold hate when they have the initial aggro, mostly because they don't have to chase mobs down. If a DPS or healer pulls prematurely, the tank is going to waste time trying to get everything to come back to them. I only have one provoke a pull.

Also, I'd rather that a healer be prepared to toss some DPS in there, which will ultimately speed up a fight more than waiting 5 seconds for my TP to regen a little.

[Skotie]

Yeah getting kicked for helping new players by giving explinations is just stupid. I'd honestly like to know why people are so damn impatient though, I'd be willing ro bet any time saved is spent doing somerhing equally as unimportant as playing videogames.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Yeah getting kicked for helping new players by giving explinations is just stupid. I'd honestly like to know why people are so damn impatient though, I'd be willing ro bet any time saved is spent doing somerhing equally as unimportant as playing videogames.

Obviously the end game is to get all your shiny toys, glamour over it, then idle in Idylshire.

[Fyce]

Just because they're the least played doesn't make them more important and/or delicate.

Have fun waiting dozen of minutes for a new tank to join your "in progress" party just because you kicked the last one since he wasn't confortable pulling big groups for you to save 2mn at the end of your run.

Oh, and, you sound like someone saying "that panda's not special or important, I'll kick it in the face if I want to!"
Damn pandas, felling special for being endangered. What a bunch of self-entitled desaturated bears.

[Malevicton]

Have fun waiting dozen of minutes for a new tank to join your "in progress" party just because you kicked the last one since he wasn't confortable pulling big groups for you to save 2mn at the end of your run.

I'm not endorsing kicking people for trying to help or for not feeling comfortable tanking larger pulls, but if I had ever made this argument that you just made up for me then yeah I'd be wrong... I'm just saying being a tank doesn't automatically make you right, or give you the ability to ignore the rest of your group.

But honestly if the deciding factor to whether or not someone is gonna be a tank is the answer to "Can I or can I not place my opinions above everyone else's anytime there's a dispute?" then I'll take the q time (or just 3 man the dungeon. Tanks aren't as necessary as they think they are. Obviously way easier with a tank, but if they actually merited their kick, then I'm not gonna keep em around just for the sake of having a tank). And that panda analogy is just ridiculous. Because I don't think tanks are entitled to hold groups hostage I must naturally think it's okay to kick a panda in the face. Sure.

[Darkobra]

Sorry bud, but you're mistaken. The tank does not set the flow. Regardless of what you might think, there are 4 ppl in the dungeon. Not just you. The party sets the flow. If 3 ppl want to you to pull another set of mobs, then do it. If the healer is pulling another mob, it means he knows he can keep you alive. If that happens then you, the tank, shouldn't have this mentality of, "if you want to tank it then go ahead." I'm tired of the "me, me, me" mindset. You're playing an mmo with other ppl. The party sets the flow. If you want to set your own pace, please go player a single player game

The word is "people." If the healer is going to pull without consulting anyone, the healer's going to suffer for it. If the healer wants the tank to pull more, I'd ask if your keyboard was working but I've seen the way you type.

You're a DPS. You should definitely know better than to piss off the tank or the healer. First MMO?

[Eidolon]

If there's anything I noticed:

1) bring a friend
2) if you suspect you'll get booted, be the first to kick.

Hate to say it but I deal with dirtbags, like level 50 Dark Knights that claim you don't get Dark Arts in high level dungouns (lol) and then afk to try and wait a timer out. Sadly, gotta be faster on the draw than that c:

[Firepower]

But honestly if the deciding factor to whether or not someone is gonna be a tank is the answer to "Can I or can I not place my opinions above everyone else's anytime there's a dispute?"

What if? as in most cases, The tank is 1 person, the impatient person is 1 person and the other 2 don't really care and just want to get the dungeon over with and don't need people bitching about extra pulls. Pretty much EVERY non boss wipe in a dungeon is a tank over pulling or links (Be it too much for healer, the tank or lack of DPS to kill it all before running out of cooldowns/mana)

I despise people hurrying the tank along, even if it is myself staring at the next enemy as greased lightning is wearing off I will still respect the tank and let him lead. If people don't like the pace of a dungeon being at the mercy of the tank. GO TANK IT YOURSELF. I enjoy tanking in the game, but I generally stick to DPS just so I can avoid stupid people ruining my day.

It's clear the way they are designing dungeons they keep adding new ways to stop people from pulling more than 2 sets of mobs at a time now, if people keep harassing tanks to pull extra and put extra stress on a job that most people don't want to play due to the responsibility then I would imagine Yoshi starting to implement dungeons that only allow you to pull one set at a time just so tanks don't feel so victimised in every dungeon.

Most people don't complain when a healer doesn't DPS
Most people don't complain when DPS is sub par or have lesser gear on
If a tank doesn't pull that next set of enemies all hell breaks loose because we are suddenly slowing everybody down.