How can we make Bards and Machinist better?

[Kayote]

We. Are. Not. Utility!


... i think ill save this as my sig

[PArcher]

Yeah, BRD and MCH are in such a bad place when world first groups bring one (or both!) to progression. Sounds like bad people are just bad to me.

Sure, there are little things that all jobs could use, but none are completely broken right now. It's mostly down to player skill.

[PArcher]

We. Are. Not. Utility!


... i think ill save this as my sig

And if you don't sing, don't be mad when you're excluded. Your utility is why people bring you to a fight.

[Kayote]

And if you don't sing, don't be mad when you're excluded.

I do sing, and Ninja's Goad and Smokescreen, MNK's Mantra, and DRG's Battle Litany ... none lose DPS for it

Your utility is why people bring you to a fight.

Glad you see the problem...

[Gilraen]

We. Are. Not. Utility!


... i think ill save this as my sig

Near the whole of your 30~50 Bard abilities would disagree with you rather vehemently. Further, given there's only one other Jobs able to do what Bard does further illustrates it. Yes, Bard and Machinist queue as DDs but that's because the Jobs have to do something when not providing support. And DDing is much better than just twidling your thumbs waiting on someone to request a song.

[DreameR7g]

We. Are. Not. Utility!


... i think ill save this as my sig

*facepalm* Just because you are labeled as DPS in the trinity doesn't mean you don't have a supportive role in party content.

[RyuDragnier]

Glad you see the problem...

Not really a problem. It means you're needed, such as how MNKs were always brought along with BRDs simply due to Dragon Kick and Mantra.

[DefendPopPunk]

Do people still not realize that groups are clearing Savage with not just a bard or machinist but with BOTH in the party? Stop crying and learn to play your job better. Current leader in world first progression for savage uses a machinst and a bard...


image source: https://twitter.com/elysiumffxiv

Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

[RyuDragnier]

Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

Woman in front with the gun on her back.

[Fuma]

Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

Woman in front with the gun on her back.

^this

/10char