How can we make Bards and Machinist better?

[DefendPopPunk]

Woman in front with the gun on her back.

Looked like a dragoon wielding the pugil stick.

[Fuma]

Looked like a dragoon wielding the pugil stick.

Actually I think you're right. Was unaware of that weapon and looking at their other clear photos they have the DRG instead of a MCH. My apologies on that, the photo isn't that great of quality and looked like a gauss barrel when I saw it. I updated my original post.

[DefendPopPunk]

Actually I think you're right. Was unaware of that weapon and looking at their other clear photos they have the DRG instead of a MCH. My apologies on that, the photo isn't that great of quality and looked like a gauss barrel when I saw it.

For sure. The only reason I noticed it is because I saw a dragoon with the same weapon in a Sohm Al run I did the other day

[Daralii]

Actually I think you're right. Was unaware of that weapon and looking at their other clear photos they have the DRG instead of a MCH. My apologies on that, the photo isn't that great of quality and looked like a gauss barrel when I saw it. I updated my original post.

In the video their comp is DRK, WAR, WHM, SCH, BLM, DRG, BRD, and NIN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smzup8TWOWs

[Fuma]

In the video their comp is DRK, WAR, WHM, SCH, BLM, DRG, BRD, and NIN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smzup8TWOWs

Thank you, yea I made sure to go back and correct my original post. That being said I still do stand firm that both jobs are in a good spot and what we're seeing is negativity that the community started and has spread like wildfire, maybe before they changed the cast time on WM and gauss barrel there was an argument to be made but now I just don't see it.

[adn]

There were BRDs in the group for the world firsts of A1S, A2S, and A3S. I won't be surprised if there is one for A4S.
I see statics in PF looking for BRD and MCH all the time. This may be because there are less people playing it now, but there is certainly demand for the classes at least (compare with how basically nobody wants AST at the moment-- they are excluded from lots of groups.)

I think MCH is in a good place from a design perspective because the class has been designed with GB in mind. They just need to make MCH's DPS a little bit more consistent, and less dependent on huge Wildfire bursts, and I think it will be in a really good place.

BRD is a harder one because frankly the class doesn't seem like it was "designed" with WM in mind, rather WM was simply thrown on there without much thought to how it would work with the class' existing toolkit. It needs more work I think.

[Jetstream_Fox]

Not to sound rude, but these skills sound horrible off the bat. As someone who mains Bard I would never lower my hp to regen someone, that is the complete opposite of support, same with your suggestion for a resurrection, it would eliminate the need of a healer. If Bard is to be fixed, which it does, they need to remove the cast bar and revert the class back to pre expansion. Add a tp bar to the party display making Paeon useful, expand stat buffs with defensive and attack based songs and add a song that does minor hp regen WITHOUT sacrificing your own. Then Bard will be better and more rounded.

As for Machinist all they really need is a damage buff, less RNG based attacks and the ability to use different types of turrets, similar to summoners Ifrit, Garuda and Titan summons. Maybe instead of focusing on buffs like the Bard, the Machinist could focus on non damage dealing debuffs.

[EdwinLi]

As for Machinist all they really need is a damage buff, less RNG based attacks and the ability to use different types of turrets, similar to summoners Ifrit, Garuda and Titan summons. Maybe instead of focusing on buffs like the Bard, the Machinist could focus on non damage dealing debuffs.

From how Machinist is currently, MCH appears more as a Offensive Support type DPS with how they can apply Physical or Magic Damage increase debuff while also boosting their own DPS as well with Hypercharge. Yes it is be shorter than Bard's Foe and has lower range but support wise it is very useful for the party since MCH can boost both Physical Damage or Magic Damage on a Enemy(or enemies) while improving their own DPS at the same time.

While Bard's Foe only focus on improving Magic Damage but doesn't improve on their own Damage.

[Nikoshae]

Personally I'd like to see Warden's Paeon reduced to a shorter cast time ... say one second, or half a second. Three seconds for a single target requires clairvoyance (or knowing the fight going in), and isn't of much use for on-the-fly DoT prevention. Alternatively I'd be happy if they kept the three second cast time, but made it a group-wide song. Maybe even extend the duration to, say, five minutes. Reapply as necessary, but it'll last long enough where you don't have to keep a sharp eye on it.

[Mikhaill]

I have multiple characters, a character for every class/job I play. I don't do the multi-class/job thing. Sorry dude. :'3

I'm sure.

/10char

I...what?
That just sounds horrible. I can't even imagine going through the story that many times...surely you at least get cross class skills?

I'm baffled that anyone would choose to play this way!

He probably doesn't.
If you look on his profile
he has 4 characters, and the only thing he had to 60 is DRK and a 51 WAR and whatever else he has on the character on the forums lol js.
Unless he pays for more characters on a different account entirely...not sure why anyone would ever do that.