How can we make Bards and Machinist better?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Honestly, with all that has been going on with Bards and Machinists they really don't have the fun spells desired or required for a utility class. Some classes I would argue have even MORE utility with some of their new spells. Why should they be labelled utility classes with their damage cut a bit if they don't have the kit to back it up? Here are some ideas I have, lets make a thread adding more!

Bard Skills I would like to see:

Oration of Sacrifice
GREATLY heals the target for X of his life every second and prevents up to 25% of damage taken.
GREATLY costs you X of your life every second.
This skill will stop when you are below 10% life or your target is healed to full.
Channeled: up to 12.0 seconds.
Instant to use.
Reuse: 45 seconds.

Requiem of Hope:
Resurrects target to full life and mana and reduces damage he takes by 95% for 3 seconds after reviving. This ability does not cause a weakened state, and does not ask for permission. However it also cannot be used on non-party-alliance members.
Cast: 3.0 seconds.
Reuse: 120 seconds.




Machinist Skills I would like to see:

Stim Pack:
Place a Stim Pack on the ground that is picked up by anyone who steps over it:
Cures a detriment and heals the target for a total of 18% of his life and 9% of his mana every 3 seconds for 9 seconds.
Cooldown: 45 seconds. Lasts 120 seconds. Instant Cast.
Gain "Stim Pack" immunity for 9 seconds after gaining the buff.

The Stim Pack has 2 triggers, the machinist may step away and run over and grab one himself.

Shield Probe:
Place a Shield Probe on all party members near that will absorb the next skill-hit. The probe only has 1 life and will take the hit instead of your party members.
Reuse: 120 seconds.
Instant.

Mouse Trap:
Mouse Trap will "Provoke" your target every 3 seconds for 30 seconds and pulsate enmity constantly to all targets around him. It has a very high chance to dodge and will run in a straight line forward where you cast it. The Mouse Trap also moves 75% faster then a player. Yes, if its down a hall the Mouse Trap will keep running forward aggroing everything until it hits a wall.
Reuse: 120 seconds.
Instant.

[EdwinLi]

Already a head of you with the Machinist part in a old post I made...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-Chess-Pieces

Speaking of old post, you'll notice the Turrets of Machinist is named after Chess Pieces.

[StrejdaTom]

Honestly I am a bit disappointed by the lack of supportivity the BRD got in HW.
Glad that I am not the only one, I hope they will reconsider this in 4.0.

[SovereignAegis]

I actually have a 60 MCH but I am leveling my Bard because it honestly just offers more. Higher damage (yes really) that is not based upon RNG, more steady utility, etc.

You say Bard has it bad but it doesn't. Take a Bard into A2S and a team of BLM and SMN and mow down things with AOE then tell me that Bard is bad. It is amazing.

[Kaze3434]

snip.

you were the loudest and most frequent voice on the forums saying that both jobs didnt offer any kind of needed utility or dps, and that they were being actively excluded. its pretty hilarious to see you saying you are getting bard up now.

OT, Oration is OP and bad at the same time. if there is no outgoing dmg to the group, toss it on a tank for free mitigation. if there are aoes up the wazoo, then using it is a bad idea. edit- after reading oration again, that 45 second cd is retarded. it would be up for every tank buster.
(most fights atm have unavoidable dmg). after re-reading Requiem, that is retarded overpowered. Full life and no weakness? on a 2 min CD? it is literally a faster, better raise.

stim pack seems interesting, but if im reading it right, it lasts on the ground for 120 seconds? shield seems like a better version of wardens, but again, 2 min cd for free party mitigation? thats too strong.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

you were the loudest and most frequent voice on the forums saying that both jobs didnt offer any kind of needed utility or dps, and that they were being actively excluded. its pretty hilarious to see you saying you are getting bard up now.

OT, Oration is OP and bad at the same time. if there is no outgoing dmg to the group, toss it on a tank for free mitigation. if there are aoes up the wazoo, then using it is a bad idea.(most fights atm have unavoidable dmg). after re-reading Requiem, that is retarded overpowered. Full life and no weakness? on a 2 min CD?

Yep. Of course, this would mean we would have to make more challenging content for the game. Its not overpowered when you have 24-man raids however it is Overpowered in 8 mans.

Oration is cool. However has to be used wisely.

We need more real raids and contested content and funner abilities.

[Velhart]

This topic has been beaten to death. There are countless threads like this already. A lot of popular ones in the DPS Role section of the forums, you should give your thoughts there instead.

[Kaze3434]

Yep. Of course, this would mean we would have to make more challenging content for the game. Its not overpowered when you have 24-man raids however it is Overpowered in 8 mans.

Oration is cool. However has to be used wisely.

We need more real raids and contested content and funner abilities.

saying its balanced in one thing(24 mans, even with the party restriction, its overpowered) doesnt negate it being overpowered in other content.

[Roll]

Yeah those skills sound OP as hell. Plus Bards barely bother with support songs already because they're more focused on DPSing anyway.

Also, bards don't pray (Oration of Sacrifice) and a Requiem is any musical service, hymn, or dirge for the repose of the dead(aka letting the dead rest in peace) Not a song that would revive the dead (and full HP/MP no weakness? Yeah that's balanced...)

Also Mouse Trap sounds like it would be annoying as hell when used in a party and after it's done aggroing everything the train of mobs will come back and wipe the party.

No offense but these are terrible ideas.

[Fuma]

Do people still not realize that groups are clearing Savage with not just a bard or machinist but with BOTH in the party? Stop crying and learn to play your job better. Current leader in world first progression for savage uses a machinst and a bard...


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