This is absolutely ridiculous (DPS CHECK RANT)

[Sapphic]

I don't think kicking and replacing a problem player is cutthroat at all.

Thing is, they wouldn't have any problems kicking a tank that constantly loses enmity or a healer that cannot keep the tank alive.

Roll up & down, double your damage. The keyboard is shorter that way, more rolls per second! :3

I tried getting my dogs to jump up and down on the keyboard, but as they full grown Malamutes they broke they keyboard! PLEEZE SE nref Malamutes, they break my k/board when I trying to get them to dps for me! :P

[Sapphic]

Because the forums say that you must put out this exact magical number or you arent good enough, period. GTFO my party.

I agree, some of the parser results are grossly inflated that get posted on things like Reddit. But. When the difference between 2 jobs that are equally geared or the one underperforming is actually better geared and doing half the damage of a BRD as a BLM even with Foe Req being maintained as much as Mana allows. Then their is a problem. Especially if DPS checks are getting repeatably failed. Had a party in The Aery that after 4 tries could not kill the adds in time for Nidhogg to wipe the party with his ultimate. (I was levelling PLD).

As shown with the forums the annoying attitude for those players is to come on the forums and demand nerfs instead of looking at themselves first and seeing how they can clear it. To get them selves to the level that is needed, instead of bringing the level needed to where they don't have to improve which just shoots themselves in the foot for later when content actually needs focus.

Without accountability certain players will continue the same with the blind idea that it isn't them that are unable to pass content, but that the content is too hard. Even a personal parser that isn't shared with the rest of the party may give them a much needed wake up call that they are inhibitiong themselves when it comes to content and the content is not preventing them from progressing.

[Sylve]

I agree, some of the parser results are grossly inflated that get posted on things like Reddit.

Rotational problems are surprisingly easy to spot. Especially if you play those Jobs yourself. You'd be surprised how many people are actually open to suggestion when it comes to fixing up their rotations. One rather memorable such event was teaching a Black Mage in AV how to do a proper rotation instead of just spamming Fire III as he had been doing.

[Whiteroom]

I defiantly agree that a parser is needed if they want strict dps checks. Even a personal parser. Though being able to see what someone else is putting out is definately better for getting a rough idea of where you stand.

No everyone doesn't have to min max like the nay sayers think, but if someone is putting out 1/3 of the dps they should be, they and the rest of the group deserve to know. This is a team effort and most teams are failing this.

[Ashkendor]

Thing is, they wouldn't have any problems kicking a tank that constantly loses enmity or a healer that cannot keep the tank alive.

Exactly. They'd kick a tank that can't keep hate (or doesn't use cooldowns) without a second thought. The same goes for a healer that lets people die. But kick a DPS for not DPS'ing well and suddenly you're an elitist asshole.

Because the forums say that you must put out this exact magical number or you arent good enough, period. GTFO my party.

A parser is like any tool - it's more useful in the hands of someone that actually knows what they're doing. Any idiot can use a ratchet to hammer in a nail, but a mechanic uses it for its intended purpose. By the same token, people that actually know what they're doing with parse results will know that typically BRD/MCH will parse lower than other DPS classes. They'll know that if mechanics force MNK/BLM to move that they lose DPS. The fact of the matter is though, some DPS players are just bad at their jobs. They put up less damage than the tanks in tanking stance. Some of them put up less damage than the healers. When you eliminate gear as a possible cause by examining them, you only have rotation and mechanics left. Either way, you won't really know who the problem is without a way to break down the damage done to the boss by each individual player.

[Purrfectstorm]

My copy/paste didn't work
So nvm.

[Jim_Berry]

I defiantly agree that a parser is needed if they want strict dps checks. Even a personal parser. Though being able to see what someone else is putting out is definately better for getting a rough idea of where you stand.

No everyone doesn't have to min max like the nay sayers think, but if someone is putting out 1/3 of the dps they should be, they and the rest of the group deserve to know. This is a team effort and most teams are failing this.

Most people believe that "team effort" comes in the form of a static. Since not all of us has one, expect low results in DF and PF.

[Gardes]

Attempting it with everyone on the back will leave at least one mob alive with a few group's low DPS, and that'll kill the island too fast. I'm not sure if you're actually telling me you managed it with everyone on the island with that low DPS, unless the tanks were doing exceptional DPS on their own. =l

I'll try it later today I guess...

My FC (not static) ran bismark ex for clear when we're in a bunch of greens save for maybe our weapons (upgraded i180 from daily hunt seals) and an acc. We had a pld and drk in full strength tanking everything without any tank stance save for the snakes. Paladin always handles the 2 vanus while I always handle the lone magician vanu. IIRC I can finish off my own add, the last one alive just as bismark slams so I'm a few seconds late to the chitin but I'm usually able to have everyone on the chitin.

Most people believe that "team effort" comes in the form of a static. Since not all of us has one, expect low results in DF and PF.

If everyone in that coil completion rate thread is to be believed, unlike japan/east, nobody in the west believes in team effort. They believe in individualism. That's pretty much everyone's mantra while they post in that thread to 'explain'.

Of course, according to wikipedia, the definition of individualism is something like

Individualists promote the exercise of one's goals and desires and so value independence and self-reliance[3] and advocate that interests of the individual should achieve precedence over the state or a social group

So I'm guessing the majority of players in the western servers own self interest is everything but being good at their class. Or their interest is just glamour and failing while looking good (or so they would like to believe).

[Kaedan94]

OP, you're ranting for nothing.

Even if they had a built in DPS meter, and even if you "required" 700 DPS to join your PF... that still wouldn't stop Bads from joining your party. People will lie, just like they lie about having cleared content, and then that "This is the first time for one of the members..." pops up.

When you use PF (or DF for that matter), you're rolling the dice. The only thing you can definitely require is ilvl, and even that can be circumvented by putting on accessories that don't match your job if they have them. The only way you're going to get what you want is by using FC members or a static.

[Sapphic]

Most people believe that "team effort" comes in the form of a static. Since not all of us has one, expect low results in DF and PF.

I don't think anyone goes into DF expecting point perfect rotations at all. I do think most go into DF expecting the players to at least make an effort to clearing the content instead of preventing everyone else from clearing. Or take advice when it is freely given when a player is new instead of ignoring it altogether.

DF is party based content. Everyone should go in with the intention of working as a party, not with the selfish notion of, bleh everyone else can carry me through.