This is absolutely ridiculous (DPS CHECK RANT)

[bbkkristian]

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Consider the following: "Darn, my pug couldn't complete the raid. I'll post up a PF next time and try again" Now compare that to: "The community put me on a list of poor performing players, and I cant form a party that will succeed in x content.". The former would seriously make me want to quit this game and unsub.

Really? DPS dont know how bad they are playing? I think its pretty obvious: when an add is left while all the others are down or while the dps is dead/fallen off the stage. Bismark makes it very plain. You already know the information, just not the specifics to actually demotivate/shame the player into leaving.

EDIT: I think you're critically underestimating how elitist our community really is.

[Fendred]

People are bad. Maybe you should get some friends or FC people to help you.

I did this fight in only a couple tries with most of the group being 160 item level, it's really easy...I'm constantly baffled as to how DPS can be so bad at their rotation as to fail the dps check, it's not even that high.

This is excellent advice, and I give it to everyone who is having a problem with the hardest of content in the game. That being said, I think the game designers need to get involved in solving the problem because it has plagued FFXIV since the 2.0 re-release. Clearly, damage dealing is not as intuitive to a significant portion of the players as the developers originally thought and neither is it something to which those same players can easily adapt. Increasing the complexity of the damage dealers when those players were still having the same problem pre-expansion was not a smart move.

[Gardes]

Consider the following: "Darn, my pug couldn't complete the raid. I'll post up a PF next time and try again" Now compare that to: "The community put me on a list of poor performing players, and I cant form a party that will succeed in x content.". The former would seriously make me want to quit this game and unsub.

If you've been informed about your terrible performance and THEN played long enough to be in EVERYONE'S list and then STILL think about making a party to clear content you're not qualified to clear instead of getting better, you have everything to blame on yourself.

There's a post some months ago trying to point out how 'bad' a parser can be by showing the number of posts claiming to have been kicked for low dps without showing total post percentage.

Here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2941889

You're doing pretty much what the post I replied to is doing. Fear mongering.

[Whiteroom]

EDIT: I think you're critically underestimating how elitist our community really is.

And I think you are over estimating. Every game I've played there have been those who almost seem to take pride in stating that their game has the most toxic community. Most of them have been about the same in the end. And yes, I fully believe it would improve the dps of a significant portion of the community, making more runs cleared, and less frustrating continual abandonments or timeouts.

The info that the overall groups dps is too low helps absolutely nothing other than deciding that the group has no way of succeeding or not, it doesn't tell you that Joe over there is sitting on his thumbs or that Jack is doing twice the work of others. Personally, If I know Jack is doing that, I want him in my next party, and if I happen to be Joe, I'm finding myself a better rotation.

[bbkkristian]

If you've been informed about your terrible performance and THEN played long enough to be in EVERYONE'S list and then STILL think about making a party to clear content you're not qualified to clear instead of getting better, you have everything to blame on yourself.

There's a post some months ago trying to point out how 'bad' a parser can be by showing the number of posts claiming to have been kicked for low dps without showing total post percentage.

Here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2941889

You're doing pretty much what the post I replied to is doing. Fear mongering.

You say fear mongering, i say being realistic.

Look, I'll compromise and say a personal parser would be good, and in addition a dev's target parser mark to promote your own achievement. But making it public and for the whole party to see is too far.

[AlphaFox]

Something that would help is an official parser. That way we could tell who is messin up and where and help them improve ; ;

Or in the case of red, give people a legit reason to instantly kick people out and still feel high and mighty about it.

[SarcasmMisser]

With that logic, you must leave every fight that doesnt complete it the first time.

No I avoid pugging at all. The idea of means of evaluation is that bad players are encouraged to step up or not join, and good players feel more confident about joining. You somehow think this is a bad thing, you realize that highlighting and filtering out players who prevent a group from clearing is the whole point.

If you want to get carried buy one lol.

[Fynlar]

I don't see how/why telling someone they need to do more damage would be a ToS violation as long as you're not a dick about it. Is it also a violation to say that tanks need to pick up adds, or that healers need to throw more AoE heals?

I would think that as long as you're not directly copy pasting lines off a parser (and that you're not being a dick about it), it is fine to critique a DPS's performance. Besides, a parser is hardly required to be able to tell that a DPS is not doing what is required of them, so it is hardly indicative of ToS breaching.

[bbkkristian]

No I avoid pugging at all. The idea of means of evaluation is that bad players are encouraged to step up or not join, and good players feel more confident about joining. You somehow think this is a bad thing, you realize that highlighting and filtering out players who prevent a group from clearing is the whole point.

If you want to get carried buy one lol.

Why is dividing up the community so beneficial? Think from the developers' standpoint, why would you do this? How does this make your game approachable for new players, which this game doesn't seem to be lacking quite.

[Jynx]

You don't need to spout off numbers to tell someone they aren't doing enough DPS...you know that right?