Astrologian "BUFFS"

[GideonHighmourn]

Their information is based on level 50 basecrit before HW. It's just wrong.

That's what I assumed. Thanks for sharing that information; very informative!

[Spoekes]

Not really. Ive seen dps focus dps oriented cards on me during entire runs and I have achieved 100-120 dps between tp increase card/balance/arrow from the beginning of the fight til end. Our astrologian in Savage easily keeps us alive while putting out 350 dps on opressor til he has to drop to help the white mage heal. To discredit someone because they are talking numbers in a mostly sporatic setting is not really credible..

You just had a better performance on your run with 100-120 additional DPS, played less ballad or something.

For the AST Buff to net you over 100 DPS you'd have to get every card the astro draws, preferably balance, and do more than 2k DPS.

[Galdous]

Uhm doing 1200 dps nets you 120 dps with just napkin math. What magic numbers are pulling to get your math from? I am talking personal parses where the astrologian did focus on me with the buffs. Most likely would be near higher with a skilled dragoon. I know that Astrologians are not the best job right now but too many people are trying to downplay the numbers same as certain people are most likely boosting the numbers.

But anyhow I think I will bow out. Enjoy the uhm 50 pages of astrologian bashing despite the number of people playing them and the job as a whole being stronger then what people want to admit.

[GideonHighmourn]

Uhm doing 1200 dps nets you 120 dps with just napkin math.

Nope. Try again. (1200 x .1)/2 = 60 DPS over 30 seconds (CD of Draw/Uptime of Balance).

In reality, it's far less than even 60 DPS since you won't be drawing Balance every time.

[Galdous]

What? 10% of 1200 is 120 for the card's duration. And the average of multiple parses with an astrologian focusing the card buffs has been about a 120 dps increase

[GideonHighmourn]

What? 10% of 1200 is 120 for the card's duration.

Balance only has (at best if you draw it everytime) 50% uptime. So even in this instance, where a DPS is doing 1200 DPS, you're only adding (on average, due to 50% uptime) 60DPS. Unless you're looking at it in a 15 second time frame, which is largely useless to do since no fight lasts only 15 seconds.

Again, work on your "napkin math". You're not going to be drawing Balance every time anyways, so it's probably closer to 10 DPS, since you'll only be drawing Balance 1 in 6 times (on average).

[Spoekes]

Uhm doing 1200 dps nets you 120 dps with just napkin math. What magic numbers are pulling to get your math from? I am talking personal parses where the astrologian did focus on me with the buffs. Most likely would be near higher with a skilled dragoon. I know that Astrologians are not the best job right now but too many people are trying to downplay the numbers same as certain people are most likely boosting the numbers.

But anyhow I think I will bow out. Enjoy the uhm 50 pages of astrologian bashing despite the number of people playing them and the job as a whole being stronger then what people want to admit.

You should work on your aggressive wording.

I like my Astro, I want the card buffs to be usefull, I can do some basic poor man's math, of course that's bashing...

[Yhisa]

i give up.... my brain is melting down due to ..... players got that AST should be like WHM or SCH or do the same or try and make the job too strong......... all i want is a healer that is NOT like the other 2 current healers or to be COMPARED to the other 2 healers..... i do not want multiple healing cooldowns ... all i want is a healer which does Raw healing and buff players to me this what it feels like

WHM = Healer that carry the group with raw healing power (Priest)
SCH = Healer that protect the group as much as possible and reduce damage in take (Paladin with pet)
AST = Healer that Tops up the injured and Buff the Brawn (Enchantress)

[Cynfael]

well this is where u are wrong and errm AST are not scholars and i didnt even mention a sect..... but i have notice myself that crit shines alot with ast ...

The issue with crit has less to do with direct comparison between SCH and AST than it has to do with crit's effect on heals, as I explained. SCH is notable for being the exception where crit ties into a mechanic of theirs; there were good reasons why crit wasn't highly prioritized by most WHMs (DET/PIE being the popular itemization goal), and AST in either stance has little that suggests that crit would outweigh DET.

I'm also reasonably sure that your assessment of DET is incorrect, but I will agree that Spell Speed remains a low-priority stat for healers.

[Spoekes]

i give up.... my brain is melting down due to ..... players got that AST should be like WHM or SCH or do the same or try and make the job too strong......... all i want is a healer that is NOT like the other 2 current healers or to be COMPARED to the other 2 healers..... i do not want multiple healing cooldowns ... all i want is a healer which does Raw healing and buff players to me this what it feels like

WHM = Healer that carry the group with raw healing power (Priest)
SCH = Healer that protect the group as much as possible and reduce damage in take (Paladin with pet)
AST = Healer that Tops up the injured and Buff the Brawn (Enchantress)

crit and cards buffs are the topic currently... where does the "you want them to be the same" come from now?