Astrologian "BUFFS"

[Vlady]

Glad you're not part of the balance team because that would make AST op.

15 sec draw time with a 33% chance to draw spire or ewer (depending on sect) and royal roading it would instantly restore 10% mp or 10% tp? That's stupid and would give you less of a reason to bring a bard or machinist.

Yeah. Frustrates me that SE gives us a challenging job then people either downplay it as weak and those who do play it well are dragging other people down. Then we have the people who make astro the super saiyan of healers. No matter what you do you cannot win with people. Astrologian healing and buffing strength is fine. Those should not be touched and I know SE will look at numbers over whining.

[Cupcakesu]

Astrologian buffing strength is fine. Those should not be touched.

I can only laugh at this statement. The only time I actually felt like my cards were doing anything impactful was when I had a 15% Balance on a Summoner during 4-man content extended with Time Dilation. Otherwise our buffs are negligible, as even a 5% boost for 15s in 8-man parties seems unimportant and unlikely. Ewer can be nice as well but most of the time I'm using it on myself, which defeats the purpose of the system.

I've been browsing the Healer Roles forum for weeks now, eagerly going through every AST thread, and you are literally one of maybe three people that seem to think AST is acceptable right now. Yes, they've cleared A1S, but afterward most parties dropped it because it wasn't worth the extra effort and they realized its shortcomings.

I desperately want Astrologian to work because I enjoy it more than SCH or WHM, but every time I play it I just feel like I'm gimping my potential.

[Cynfael]

Yeah. Frustrates me that SE gives us a challenging job then people either downplay it as weak and those who do play it well are dragging other people down. Then we have the people who make astro the super saiyan of healers. No matter what you do you cannot win with people. Astrologian healing and buffing strength is fine. Those should not be touched and I know SE will look at numbers over whining.

While I actually agree with some of what you said there, SE will likely be continuing to buff/tweak AST if they look at numbers, because numbers don't seem to make a great case for AST being competitive.

Like I said before, it's not that the Job is challenging, it's that the tools range mostly from basic to subpar. Giving one job an inherent handicap may elevate the skill floor for playing it decently, but it doesn't necessarily provide any distinct advantage for playing it well when compared to playing another healer at the same skill level.

[AlphaSonic]

I think you are confusing difficulty with underpowered. Astro can be a difficult job to master and be at the same level as the other healers in terms of what it can provide to the party. Right now it isn't on par, it's an undeniable fact. He doesn't bring the same to the party as the Scholar or White Mage.

White mage brings the best heals in game and regens he can stop healing to start DPSing thanks to that. Scholar provides DPS, mitigation and with the fairy he can choose between more healing or more utility. Astrologian provides some random buffs every 30/60 seconds that sometimes aren't even useful, less healing power than Scholar and he can't DPS because unlike Scholar and WHM, he doesn't have any reliable way to start DPSing without making wipe a party. Astrologian heals less than Scholar and his buffs are random and less effective than Scholar Selene.

[Miiu]

Yeah. Frustrates me that SE gives us a challenging job then people either downplay it as weak and those who do play it well are dragging other people down. Then we have the people who make astro the super saiyan of healers. No matter what you do you cannot win with people. Astrologian healing and buffing strength is fine. Those should not be touched and I know SE will look at numbers over whining.

Yep like SE looked at the numbers before the Warrior rework in ARR and said they are fine.
To be honest Vlady the more you post the more I think you are out of touch with the whole game or you're just completely oblivious to what people are actually complaining about.
Sometimes just looking at the numbers doesn't do any good. You have to look at the how the community is playing your game. If you introduce a class that doesn't fit the current playstyle even though on paper it should do fine(which in this case doesn't). You can only do 2 things. Rework/Change the class to fit the current playstyle/meta or change the meta. But that isn't possible anymore since the new abilties WHM and SCH got only reinforced the current META.

We all here agree that AST isn't broken, which is shown by the people who cleared Savage Floor 1 and 2 with an AST in team. But even those AST players are saying that something isn't right.
You can have the opinion that AST are like you said the "super saiyan" of healers all you want but as of right now AST is not on par with the other two healers in no way shape or form.

[TyloRime]

Yeah. Frustrates me that SE gives us a challenging job then people either downplay it as weak and those who do play it well are dragging other people down. Then we have the people who make astro the super saiyan of healers. No matter what you do you cannot win with people. Astrologian healing and buffing strength is fine. Those should not be touched and I know SE will look at numbers over whining.

Are you able to make ANY of your points without being rude or insulting other people? The only person whining seems to be you, about how you fear the rest of us are going to destroy your job. If SE doesn't agree with us, they won't change anything. You don't need to continually show up in every thread and put people down.

[Zaj_Quilos]

Are you able to make ANY of your points without being rude or insulting other people? The only person whining seems to be you, about how you fear the rest of us are going to destroy your job. If SE doesn't agree with us, they won't change anything. You don't need to continually show up in every thread and put people down.

pretty much everyone is arguing the same stuff in each AST topic and generally being snobs.

[TyloRime]

pretty much everyone is arguing the same stuff in each AST topic and generally being snobs.

So you put out a fire with gasoline?

[OpheliaHeartilly]

Yeah. Frustrates me that SE gives us a challenging job then people either downplay it as weak and those who do play it well are dragging other people down. No matter what you do you cannot win with people. Astrologian healing and buffing strength is fine. Those should not be touched and I know SE will look at numbers over whining.

I hope to god SE looks at the numbers because they are abysmal. I doubt there are any 8 player groups out there doing content with WHM/SCH combo saying "Gee-- I wish we had an AST in here-- things would go so much more smoothly." I can't say anything about the card buffs that hasn't been said before... but they are not game changing in any reliable or significant way, and can actually be detrimental to some DPS rotations and TP management. Vlady-- you always seem to think ppl are attacking AST by wanting changes-- do you not realize that we are the ones that WANT to play it too? I have to keep playing SCH because it is just too amazing in Savage to give up for AST. Sadly, nothing AST does is better than anything WHM or SCH already do, and in many cases, doesn't even approach "just as good as". I noticed you don't have the Rav EX weapon for your AST... is this because you are "enjoying" the challenge of the job?

[Yhisa]

.... AST is ok but have issues but people make out there really bad when they are not

me and my WHM both healed on each other without any cooldowns and my heals was slightly lower in diurnal sect... but it was near the same strength as my WHM partner..... then soon as he used Divine Seal i feel behind in healing alot .... this is the only problem with AST is that we LACK healing cooldowns other then that we are fine... like last night i manage to crit heal my warrior tank for 11k with an emergency my jaw dropped because this was a crit so far from my own knowledge of as is that our healing potency are fine... our cards needs slight rework but not major.....Collective Unconscious need a change.... other then these AST is FINE........ besides there is far to much det / spell speed on the healing gear as well as PIE (hate u) ... ast to me feel like it needs alot of crit for it to work in order for it to be inline with other healer..... even the proc for benefic II needs a rework the instant cast is ok but it needs more either make it always crit whilst the proc is active or something new with it

im tired of players bashing the new healer and screaming for buffs ... yeah ast have minor problems but not what players make out to be to me if feels like SMN when there was way too much spell speed on gear which then dramatically killed there dps and thus was rise of the BLM and then SMN become bad dps due to crappy stats..... AST needs crit and there is lack of it on gear spell speed only helps with DoTs and cast speed.....with crits i heal hard 5K+ with benefit I and 6-7k with benefit II,,,,, 11k + with Essential Dignity (op)

so let narrow it down
- Need Healing Cooldown to increase healing
- Need Slight rework to cards
- Heavy gear depended Weapon >Mind >Crit >Det >>>>>> Pie/Spellspeed
- Few changes to skills

Other then this we are fine..... when ur screaming and saying AST heals less we dont.... the only time we heal less is when the other healers use there own healing cooldowns to increase there healing.... Out side of these cooldowns we heal slightly less then a whm like barely less

Also players r trying to do SAVAGE mode whilst being under geared as soon as Elite players clear it ,,,, they think they can do the same.... but we all dont have godly skills like these players... and we are very under geared to clear floors but people manage due to straining and pushing all the blood and skills out of there class in order to do this ... if u fall behind a DPS check dont blame the healers due to your own lack of damage... yes we can add to it when we can but this is the DPS job......if ur relying on ur healers/tank dps to clear content then you are under geared for the run and demanding too much from your players.... remember we all not ELITE