Why further enhancements to market wards?

[Orcishgrappler]

And again, this is not an action house

An action house would be:
Approach AH
Select Catergory
Select Item
Bid Item
Wait a little
Bid again
Purchase Item
Equip Item

Yes and you can do it all without moving in one spot. Thats called a better system. Why do all those steps then have to move around a bunch of times to get each item when you can just get everything you want in one trip. Nice try though with trying to act like what you posted is anywhere near as annoying as the market wards.

[Zetonegi]

And again, this is not an action house

An action house would be:
Approach AH
Select Catergory
Select Item
Bid Item
Wait a little
Bid again
Purchase Item
Equip Item

Depends on your implementation of the Auction House. It doesn't have to be like the FFXI one where you have to blindly bid on things. You can have it show the lowest price(s) on whatever item you're bidding on.

You can have an AH set up as follows::
Weapons
-Types of Weapons
--Sortable list of a type of weapon
---Buy
---Price history
Repeat for each category
Showing the lowest price(s) in the buy menu and the last prices in the price history menu

[ZachCero]

Im with Draco 1000% on this one. We need to keep this topic alive so they read it and listen.

Get rid of the Market and get a real AH. Draco is not talking about what the very few people left on this game now want. He wants the game to do well in the future. This will only happen if SE learns from mistakes. Those who are confused really need to read some of this games reviews. A real AH is essential for most new players. Another thing why bash Draco for making his opinion known? That is what this is for in the first place. If you disagree that's fine but no reason to not be civil about it.

I'm with my buddy Orc & Draco on this one. I've been playing this game since Phase 2 beta. I'ma fan boy.. plain and simple. But even I had to step away from this game for 6-8 months. Market wards are a terrible thing, they were brought in with the old crew and producer and should gone out the window with them(God bless their soul.)

Now I'ma say it again, I am a fanboy! I have now been joined by two RL friends(more like I coaxed them into joining and even gave them my buddy pass.) They love the game and have some jobs over 20 and 1 job over 30 each and they have even started to pick up crafting and gathering.... BUT they wont go into the GD wards! I dont blame them either you go in there looking for one thing and come out hours later. Is that really worthwhile gaming for the casual player?

So with the most recent letter from the producer, came announcement of further improvements to the market wards. I still do not understand why it is necessary to improve a failing system and a system that ( according to industry standards ) noon wants. Why not take that manpower and create an AH system that is linked between all the cities so that we can finally scrap the market ward system. I understand that some players have grown accustomed to the wards and have learned to go about day to day business as usual with that in place. However, if this game ever plans to release on PS3 and plans to increase its numbers, market wards are only going to continue to be an issue due to the rapid increase in population. I also read the entire list and saw that there was no mention of a Mailbox or Mog House anywhere on the list. I am truly enjoying the recent and upcoming changes to the game, but still am not seeing any of the "big things" that made up the great FFXI infrastructure, coming to life in FFXIV. I know battle systems and armory systems take priority, but I wish that the dev's would announce plans for Mog House, Mailbox, and AH for the future. Alot of players have given up asking for these things, but I have played many MMO's and I do not ever see FFXIV growing to any form of population that can bring in decent revenue without them.

This is the current process of purchasing and equipping an entire set of gear using the FFXIV Market Ward system

Walk up to Wards
Select Item Search Counter
Select desired ward
Select desired category
Find Item
Select Item
Hit "Yes" button at bottom to track item
Select Market Wards
Select desired ward
Wait for loading screen
Run to desired retainer and select
Purchase desired item from retainer
Run back to the Market Ward window

Rinse and repeat about 5-10 times until you have a complete set of gear

And for that reason right there is why SE needs to step up their game and do away with the wards. I mean heck you look on the map there is a AH place in limsa where they make fun of the auction house? Is SE really set in their ways of trying to reinvent something that wasn't broken to begin with?

DO WE REALLY HAVE TO WARM UP TO THE IDEA MARKET WARDS WILL STAY AROUND FOREVERRRRRRRR?

[Seif]

I think it's funny how A) both of you who are against this feature that the majority voted for in the poll have no idea what an AH really is nor how it works

and B) you think the inclusion of an AH somehow prevents you from playing in your broken zombie doll-house of loading hell. Hell even in XI some players use the Rolanberry Bazaar but that a very marginal percentage of the game's population.

ANY market system is useless if it doesn't get every player to use it on regular basis. This is why MW has already failed and it will never ever win over the masses because of the way it's fundamentally designed to halt RMT that's it. It's not designed for the players to begin with.

[Draco]

And again, this is not an action house

An action house would be:
Approach AH
Select Catergory
Select Item
Bid Item
Wait a little
Bid again
Purchase Item
Equip Item

No, that is a WoW and Rift Auction House system. In Final Fantasy XI all you had to do was look at the price history and it would give you an idea of what to bid at. If you bid at or higher than asking then you win. There is a bid and if not accepted then bid again until you win, but there is no waiting in between.

[Draco]

I think it's funny how A) both of you who are against this feature that the majority voted for in the poll have no idea what an AH really is nor how it works

and B) you think the inclusion of an AH somehow prevents you from playing in your broken zombie doll-house of loading hell. Hell even in XI some players use the Rolanberry Bazaar but that a very marginal percentage of the game's population.

ANY market system is useless if it doesn't get every player to use it on regular basis. This is why MW has already failed and it will never ever win over the masses because of the way it's fundamentally designed to halt RMT that's it. It's not designed for the players to begin with.

I see your point with Rollenberry/Batillia Markets, however, I do not think that alternate means of trading really takes away from trading in an AH system. From what I remember from FFXI, the reason people really used traded in other ways on top of the AH was because FFXI put limits ( of course SE cannot possibly release anything without their personal limitation stamp now can they ) on how many items could be on auction at any given time. That, and certain items could not be sold in the auction house that could be sold through bazaar system and some items were so pricy that noone wanted to pay the tax to sell said item. For those reasons, people went to Battillia/Rollenberry. That is what I recall at least.

[Seif]

I see your point with Rollenberry/Batillia Markets, however, I do not think that alternate means of trading really takes away from trading in an AH system. From what I remember from FFXI, the reason people really used traded in other ways on top of the AH was because FFXI put limits ( of course SE cannot possibly release anything without their personal limitation stamp now can they ) on how many items could be on auction at any given time. That, and certain items could not be sold in the auction house that could be sold through bazaar system and some items were so pricy that noone wanted to pay the tax to sell said item. For those reasons, people went to Battillia/Rollenberry. That is what I recall at least.

This is true and like I said MOST people use only the AH. Because MW is used only by a marginal percentage of the entire population it will never ever work. It honestly doesn't even matter if a few players like the MW. They alone can not make the economy work, ever.

When AH is implemented I'm sure MW will stay as the go-to place for super expensive items that are not worth to keep in the AH-slot. But majority will never end up using it in their daily play-routine.

[Rinsui]

Anyone with a sufficent amount of gray matter would understand that improving a system that's already in place takes less resources and development time than scrapping it and creating a completely new one.

Like, we better continue strappin' rokkits to chariots. A hint, dude: the blueprints for planes already exist.

Wanting the second option makes even less sense and is even more unreasonable considering that the market wards are almost an equivalent to an auction house at the moment.

Almost is the point. And I admit that over almost a year's time, they became closer to resembling real AH's. All they have to do now is to scrap the chariot and the horses.

The difference is so minimal that it's irrelevant.

Let me give you a small lesson in life.

You =/= Everyone. The fact that you don't mind wasting your time playing "hunt the marmot meat" doesn't mean that "no one" (I think this is the expression you're looking for) minds.

[Draco]

This is true and like I said MOST people use only the AH. Because MW is used only by a marginal percentage of the entire population it will never ever work. It honestly doesn't even matter if a few players like the MW. They alone can not make the economy work, ever.

When AH is implemented I'm sure MW will stay as the go-to place for super expensive items that are not worth to keep in the AH-slot. But majority will never end up using it in their daily play-routine.

WHEN is deffinitely the key to your statement. However, I continue to say IF, when it comes to the release of an AH system until I hear differently from one of the Dev's or in a letter from the producer.

I am trying to keep this post alive, and I hope that others will continue to help me as well. We cannot stop until we get a straight up answer one way or another. We deserve to know if a viable AH and Mailbox system will be making its way to Eorzea anytime soon. Continued maintenance and improvements of the current MW system will never ever equal an auction house and mailbox combined system.

[Pyrix]

And again, this is not an action house

An action house would be:
Approach AH
Select Catergory
Select Item
Bid Item
Wait a little
Bid again
Purchase Item
Equip Item

Skip bidding because bidding blows ass, and buyout.