Why further enhancements to market wards?

[Wolfie]

New is good. SE has been an innovator as long as I've been a fan of theirs. It's just like the last 5 years or so they've had a bunch of manatees with thought bubble balloons selecting their approach to anything they add or create.

Bazaar system is not new. Sorry guy.

And even if it was, not everything that's new is good. You don't reinvent the wheel.

[Amsai]

@Abriael: Maybe if they optimize the system successfully, I wont complain. But I just don't see it happening. But your basically saying that Draco is a liar and all I can see is that you must live in a fantasy world where time passes faster than on planet earth. If I didn't know any better I could swear its blind fan boyism, but that can't be true. I often disagree with your posts, but its usually not because I think you are blindly white knighting. Its usually just fundamentally disagreeing with your Point of view and the way you think the game should be. In this case though, I dont know what you are talking about. I fully support Draco on this issue, as I don't see it as only being a philosophical or aesthetic issue (though part of me does think its a useless system thrown out there for purely to pacify RPers). So I see your on a different server than me..... is that the difference? You just happen to be on the one server where the market ward isnt like 10x slower than a broker system would be? For one thing, EVERY second that I am being slowed down for no good reason is precious time lost to me forever. However, if they do manage to optimize the system and make it faster then for the most part I could live with the system. BUT not when I get trapped in loading hell everytime I go to the MWs, and God help me if I need to get more than 1 item. Trust me bro, I'm not making this shit up just to be a troll. So you say its fast and not that much worse than a broker system? I guess I have to take you at your word. So take me at mine. Most of the system while I still find annoying isnt that bad in the speed department, but its gotten so bad that I fear everytime I have to go into the MWs due to the insanely long loading sequences I have to endure.

[Jaber]

Market wards are terrible.
They're basically as close to an auction house as they can get without having any of the convenience or advantages of an auction house, while at the same time having no positive aspects over one.

The item search feature is essentially an AH already, only with a bunch of loading time slapped onto it and no price history. The lack of price history is itself a major problem because nobody has any clue what anything is worth, so you get things like... twelve people selling maple longbows for 120k(in the same zone as an npc that sells them for 115k, derp) because that's the only price they have on hand to base it off of.
Specific wards separated by category are useless because A. item search negates the need for this and B. most things are in the wrong wards anyways because you can't set up shop in several wards at once.

I also like how you can open the window to browse a shop from about ten times farther away than the distance you can actually purchase things at, and how you are rendered completely immobile while it's open so you have to exit out of everything to get closer. Real nice system there.

So, in summary:
ENTIRE ECONOMY IS ROLANBERRY FIELDS

[naaros]

I also like how you can open the window to browse a shop from about ten times farther away than the distance you can actually purchase things at, and how you are rendered completely immobile while it's open so you have to exit out of everything to get closer.

I agree. This part really bugs me, personally. Why can I open and browse the bazaar from far away, but not be able to purchase? Makes no sense. And why do I stop when I open a player bazaar or retainer? You don't when you Check someone. How am I supposed to buy something from someone possibly running away if I auto-stop, and they run out of range for me to buy (because as I said above, you have to purchase when you are close-ish). I know I can message and tell them to stop, but that's besides the point - I shouldn't have to do that. :/

[Coglin]

I personally am for the MWs. They revise the search a little for HQ items and I will be happy.

The one thing I have to admitt that baffles me here is the hypocrocy. Everyone wants to scream "do something to stop RMT" "Do something to stop XYZ issue with auction houses." The devs create a few systems that really curb the top 3 AH isues complained about, and severly curb RMT, and it gets bashed hard.

Like it or not, if you saying down with market wards, what your really saying is I support RMT. For those of you this may confuse. If you don't undrstand how it curbs the issue, then you are speaking out of pure ignorance when asking for the sytems to change.

[Chocobits]

I personally am for the MWs. They revise the search a little for HQ items and I will be happy.

The one thing I have to admitt that baffles me here is the hypocrocy. Everyone wants to scream "do something to stop RMT" "Do something to stop XYZ issue with auction houses." The devs create a few systems that really curb the top 3 AH isues complained about, and severly curb RMT, and it gets bashed hard.

Like it or not, if you saying down with market wards, what your really saying is I support RMT. For those of you this may confuse. If you don't undrstand how it curbs the issue, then you are speaking out of pure ignorance when asking for the sytems to change.

People are biased against RMT in this game why? In FFXI you could directly see the damage they were doing to the economy, although the economy was susceptible to manipulation from non-RMT. So, just because someone is manipulating the economy doesn't make them RMT, and just because someone is an RMT doesn't mean they're manipulating the economy. In FFXIV there's little to no way to track RMT with the current system, so there's no evidence to suggest this RMT paranoia everyone whispers about in hushed voices has any basis in reality.

RMT are gold farmers. They're not concerned with endgame activities or crafts unless they can generate large amounts of in-game currency with it. Since stats on items are worthless, and most people just choose inexpensive gear approximate to their level, and there's not a lot of need for consumable items, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say they're PROBABLY not too concerned with abusing crafts at this point. They'd be the ones farming synthesis MATERIALS and doing gil rewarding tasks nonstop.

If anything, I think some serious RMT action in the crafting corner might give the economy a revitalizing injection. More money exchanging hands = more need/desire for items, more fluidity, and more accessibility for everyone. Until item stats matter though, people should unruffle their tailfeathers. The game isn't being destroyed by RMT in the economy. The economy itself is what's destroying the game. That's all, you can carry on now.

[Orcishgrappler]

Im with Draco 1000% on this one. We need to keep this topic alive so they read it and listen.

Get rid of the Market and get a real AH. Draco is not talking about what the very few people left on this game now want. He wants the game to do well in the future. This will only happen if SE learns from mistakes. Those who are confused really need to read some of this games reviews. A real AH is essential for most new players. Another thing why bash Draco for making his opinion known? That is what this is for in the first place. If you disagree thats fine but no reason to not be civil about it.

[ZachCero]

Im with Draco 1000% on this one. We need to keep this topic alive so they read it and listen.

Get rid of the Market and get a real AH. Draco is not talking about what the very few people left on this game now want. He wants the game to do well in the future. This will only happen if SE learns from mistakes. Those who are confused really need to read some of this games reviews. A real AH is essential for most new players. Another thing why bash Draco for making his opinion known? That is what this is for in the first place. If you disagree that's fine but no reason to not be civil about it.

I'm with my buddy Orc & Draco on this one. I've been playing this game since Phase 2 beta. I'ma fan boy.. plain and simple. But even I had to step away from this game for 6-8 months. Market wards are a terrible thing, they were brought in with the old crew and producer and should gone out the window with them(God bless their soul.)

Now I'ma say it again, I am a fanboy! I have now been joined by two RL friends(more like I coaxed them into joining and even gave them my buddy pass.) They love the game and have some jobs over 20 and 1 job over 30 each and they have even started to pick up crafting and gathering.... BUT they wont go into the GD wards! I dont blame them either you go in there looking for one thing and come out hours later. Is that really worthwhile gaming for the casual player?

So with the most recent letter from the producer, came announcement of further improvements to the market wards. I still do not understand why it is necessary to improve a failing system and a system that ( according to industry standards ) noon wants. Why not take that manpower and create an AH system that is linked between all the cities so that we can finally scrap the market ward system. I understand that some players have grown accustomed to the wards and have learned to go about day to day business as usual with that in place. However, if this game ever plans to release on PS3 and plans to increase its numbers, market wards are only going to continue to be an issue due to the rapid increase in population. I also read the entire list and saw that there was no mention of a Mailbox or Mog House anywhere on the list. I am truly enjoying the recent and upcoming changes to the game, but still am not seeing any of the "big things" that made up the great FFXI infrastructure, coming to life in FFXIV. I know battle systems and armory systems take priority, but I wish that the dev's would announce plans for Mog House, Mailbox, and AH for the future. Alot of players have given up asking for these things, but I have played many MMO's and I do not ever see FFXIV growing to any form of population that can bring in decent revenue without them.

This is the current process of purchasing and equipping an entire set of gear using the FFXIV Market Ward system

Walk up to Wards
Select Item Search Counter
Select desired ward
Select desired category
Find Item
Select Item
Hit "Yes" button at bottom to track item
Select Market Wards
Select desired ward
Wait for loading screen
Run to desired retainer and select
Purchase desired item from retainer
Run back to the Market Ward window

Rinse and repeat about 5-10 times until you have a complete set of gear

And for that reason right there is why SE needs to step up their game and do away with the wards. I mean heck you look on the map there is a AH place in limsa where they make fun of the auction house? Is SE really set in their ways of trying to reinvent something that wasn't broken to begin with?

DO WE REALLY HAVE TO WARM UP TO THE IDEA MARKET WARDS WILL STAY AROUND FOREVERRRRRRRR?

[Amineri]

What I'm really, really, REALLY wondering is how the current (or any) market system is going to handle items with various types of Materia attached?

I mean .... 30 materia (estimated), up to 5 attached, that's over 24 million combinations of materia. How are people going to find an item with specific materia, or order it up if they want it?

[Verecund]

If only some of you actually read before posting.............