PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[SirTaint]

I was playing around with on a dummy last night. 837 DPS was my average but I was running out of TP at 2min38seconds. No food, no party buff, no pots, no slashing debuff.

SwO our DPS is not far behind at all.

ShO our DPS is very far behind. ShO damage needs to be the focus of any complaints because it is lacking.

[rawker]

The thing is, if the damage penalty from Shield Oath is improved, Fight or Flight needs to be lowered down to compensate and that will hurt Sword Oath.

[SirTaint]

The thing is, if the damage penalty from Shield Oath is improved, Fight or Flight needs to be lowered down to compensate and that will hurt Sword Oath.

Why?

Darkside and Maim are perma buffs. If anything PLD should have an equivalent, like every shield block gives us a 5 seconds 15% damage increase.

DRK has Darkside,Darkarts and Blood Weapon (not to meantion a 500pot single GCD and magic to help with TP regen)
WAR has Deliverance,Maim,Berserk,Inner release and Equilibrium (they can also stance dance on the fly for increased security or DPS)
PLD has FoF and Sword Oath

[Fue]

Just make SwO a trait and add a tp restore skill to its place

[Disc]

As a PLD who recently cleared A1 Savage, I can definitely say this is true. In magic-heavy fights PLD loses its defensive advantages over DRK/WAR

You weren't paying attention to the incoming damage then. Most of the damage comes from auto-attacks, which can hit for as much damage as Royal Fount. Halone's STR down allows PLD to basically have a constant -10% damage taken.(additional ~5% for shield/parry over DRK) It becomes more equal if PLD can forego Halone for Royal Authority, but then their DPS takes a massive jump.

DRKs main advantages in A1S are increased enmity generation & Shadow Wall during a Royal Fount every 3 minutes while out of Grit. Hypercompressed Plasma for the most part only matters whether you survive or not, but will also hit DRK for 10% more. Grit+Shadowskin+DA+Dark Mind = 44.8% damage taken, Rampart + Sentinel = 38.4% damage taken, Hallowed Ground makes the second Plasma a non-issue. The lack of need for enmity combos early on allows them to focus DPS the first phase, which is where DPS matters most.

Darkside and Maim are perma buffs. If anything PLD should have an equivalent, like every shield block gives us a 5 seconds 15% damage increase.

DRK has Darkside,Darkarts and Blood Weapon (not to meantion a 500pot single GCD and magic to help with TP regen)
WAR has Deliverance,Maim,Berserk,Inner release and Equilibrium (they can also stance dance on the fly for increased security or DPS)
PLD has FoF and Sword Oath

DRK potencies are naturally very low without Darkside and Dark Arts to boost them. Bloodweapon, unlike FoF, does nothing for oGCDs. Your proposed buffs would make PLDs already naturally high potency abilities hands down better DPS than both DRK & WAR. In addition to taking less overall damage, carrying a ton of support abilities, and the groundbreaking Hallowed skill.

[Faytte]

DRK potencies are naturally very low without Darkside and Dark Arts to boost them.

Are you...absolutely crazy?

Dark have the highest core potencies out of all tanks. Have you looked at the potencies of other tanks?

Honestly? I do not even know how to take this post seriously after reading this. Scourge vs Fracture? Any of your combos vs ANY combos of other classes?

Royal Authority? 690 total potency.
Delirium--which includes mana restore and a debuff? 680. You are '10' potency behind a combo which includes an attack that does -nothing- but damage. Considering most DRK are also doing a DA+ Soul Eater once every 3 or so combos.

Yeah your potencies being low....lol.

[Seku]

Why?

Darkside and Maim are perma buffs. If anything PLD should have an equivalent, like every shield block gives us a 5 seconds 15% damage increase.

DRK has Darkside,Darkarts and Blood Weapon (not to meantion a 500pot single GCD and magic to help with TP regen)
WAR has Deliverance,Maim,Berserk,Inner release and Equilibrium (they can also stance dance on the fly for increased security or DPS)
PLD has FoF and Sword Oath

Effectively make bulwark a defensive and offensive cool down on any physical fight~ and force it with shieldtron.

[Phoenicia]

Are you...absolutely crazy?

Dark have the highest core potencies out of all tanks. Have you looked at the potencies of other tanks?

Honestly? I do not even know how to take this post seriously after reading this. Scourge vs Fracture? Any of your combos vs ANY combos of other classes?

Royal Authority? 690 total potency.
Delirium--which includes mana restore and a debuff? 680. You are '10' potency behind a combo which includes an attack that does -nothing- but damage. Considering most DRK are also doing a DA+ Soul Eater once every 3 or so combos.

Yeah your potencies being low....lol.

A small correction: DRK has the highest core potencies out of all classes.

[SirTaint]

DRK potencies are naturally very low without Darkside and Dark Arts to boost them. Bloodweapon, unlike FoF, does nothing for oGCDs. Your proposed buffs would make PLDs already naturally high potency abilities hands down better DPS than both DRK & WAR. In addition to taking less overall damage, carrying a ton of support abilities, and the groundbreaking Hallowed skill.

Wat....

And the problem is ShOs penalty and the lack of a way to circumvent it.

WAR can negate the penalty via IB/Unchained and gets back to 95% via Maim. If you are in deliverance you still get the increased damage from Maim plus all the other goodies.
DRK can negate with darkside (-20 +15) and then stack DA,Blood weapon, along with most potent core rotation. DRK also have 4 oGCDs to weave.

[KircheAhaltZerbst]

If you got the changes your crying about everyone would run double paladins and a ninjas for the slashing debuff.