PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Adventica6]

What I got out of it all is pld is 150-190 dps less than drk, no matter how you slice it that's a crap load. He makes a point and no the extra tank cd's a pld has does not make up for that massive dps loss in the current content where only dps matters.

Do an experiment, run a dungeon with a warrior or drk then run one with a pld, and notice that the run took 2x as long because of no aoe dmg and mediocre single target. Most of the people going against the Op don't even have plds on their accounts.

[Disc]

Then you did not bother reading to figure out why PLD has lower DPS & would see the job buffed in preparation for a nerf when they finally do gear up.

[elemental10]

In the future, when these threads rule the forums, one day SE will think, "You know what? The players want a class that can do everything... Let's give them that and watch the subs FLY!"

And thus was born the job, "The Super Yoshi," or known as TSY. That's right. Say it. tes-sai. The class doesn't have a weapon and his weapon is only one... The Look. He uses his eyes to burn enemies to death and when he sneeres, the whole server is stunned for half an hour, unable to do anyhting. When he walks, his feet doesn't touch the ground and when he goes into a dungeon, his party members get kicked automatically and he blazes through the dungeon and kills the boss with The Look, in one hit. He get's instant lvl 60 once he gets out of Sastasha.

TSY will able to go invulnerable each time the player logs in and will stay like that. Nothing can damage him and all his attacks has a potency of 999999999, which has a base damage of 9000. He has only two attacks, and it's called "The Nerf Bat" and "The Buff Blessing." The Nerf Bat will kill any enemies instantly while anyone who got inside the circle will be nerfed to the ground and remains at 1 HP and 1 MP for an hour. The Buff Blessing will give him Super Speed, which he can use to walk through his allies and instantly make copies of TSY, which he can control, making the server full of TSY.

In the end, TSY remains the only class to be played... forever. FFXIV will no longer be playable because the server keeps crashing when a TSY logs in. Subscriptions starts to soar for a reason because everyone likes to play as TSY, because he can be anything and do anything and everything. He is the ultimate class, the one and only job that precedes all jobs.

The Super Yoshi, Producer Incarnate.

Moral of the story: If one class has highest damage, highest defense, highest everything... it'll probably break the game. PLD is a turtle job. He's a bit weak compared to others but he can survive a lot of stuff without a lot of hassle. In other words... You can't get everything you want.

[Reynhart]

Int Down is fine--I have no idea why people like to bring this up with a monk. Lets say you have a monk? In A1 you put it on the other add. In A2--doesnt matter. In A3--sure its not awesome?
But Warriors have this with the slashing debuff and ninjas--no one discounts how great it is to have a warrior with the slashing debuff or brings up "well its not that great cause of ninjas".

Because NIN won't use their slashing debuff if they want optimal DPS. MNK will Dragon Kick in their best rotation.

[Brian_]

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Another critic without any end-game experience on PLD either in ARR or HW.

The situation is simple.

In the current content, any minor survivability advantage the PLD has is irrelevant because all three tank classes can actually live through the damage.

So in the end, you only have an imbalance in their offense and utility.

The added utility the PLD brings is also not enough to make for a 200-300 raid DPS loss.

If you actually did the end-game content in ARR, you would understand that WAR and PLD were pretty balanced. Both tanks had a place in raids, both healers had a place in raids, and all DPS (aside from SMN) was fairly equal -- though MNK and BRD were more commonly brought because of their utility.

In HW, 2 tanks are ahead of the third, 2 healers significantly outclass the third, and there are small imbalances within the DPS.

Yea, HW is still pretty new. You have to be a moron to think things are balanced. So, what we're doing is discussing how it is imbalanced. Telling people to shut up does not contribute to anything.

[elemental10]

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I'll bite this.

I didn't say anything about shutting up other people.

I only point out that there cannot be one single class that can do everything. So I'm not expecting a huge buff to apply to PLD. Only tweaks to their kits. Unless you want to see static people who main DRK or WAR gets pissed because their places gets replaced by PLD.

Besides, when the ilvl gets raised up, I bet these threads won't appear anymore because then people will complain about some other things...

[Eye_Gore]

Do an experiment, run a dungeon with a warrior or drk then run one with a pld, and notice that the run took 2x as long because of no aoe dmg and mediocre single target.

so you mean to tell me with a war or dark you can get done a dungeon in 10-15 minutes because it seems to be about 20-30 minutes to get done with my pld

[Galgarion]

Person A. "Peanut butter is sticky."

Person B. "Yet another person who has never been to Paraguay offering an opinion on Peanut butter."

[OPneedNerfs]

Person A. "Peanut butter is sticky."

Person B. "Yet another person who has never been to Paraguay offering an opinion on Peanut butter."

You mean:
A: Man soccer is easy, that was such an easy goal to score.
B: But you don't even play soccer!
A: I've kicked a ball once and am good at basketball so shut up.

[RadRyder]

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As a PLD who recently cleared A1 Savage, I can definitely say this is true. In magic-heavy fights PLD loses its defensive advantages over DRK/WAR, which then renders PLD undesirable as it basically becomes an offensively/defensively weaker DRK. Like, right now there is still reason to bring DRKs over PLD in physical-heavy fights due to the extra 100 to 150+ DPS provided, but there is pretty much no reason to bring PLD over DRK in magic-heavy fights.

I say to balance things out they need to close the DPS gap between PLD and DRK (let's say, reduce Shield Oath's damage penalty to 10%), or if they insist on keeping PLD a "turtle", make it so that it still has an edge in defensive capabilities even in magical-heavy fights (let's say, increasing Shield Oath mitigation to 30% or allowing Sheltron to block magic too).