Machinist need buffed

[Solver]

My feelings on this topic is that MCH do not remotely have the Utilities that BRD's have. Not only does BRD have more utilities, it out performs my MCH. I feel overall that a BRD is a superior support role and overall does more dps then a MCH.

Other factors such as choosing between having Quelling strike or Keen Flurry, not having a option of having second wind. The usefulness of a Brd between Mch is far to apart in my opinion.

I feel to make the class more necessary in raiding would to give it a slight potency increase to upset the balance between having a BRD or MCh in the group. A BRD being a better support while MCh are support roie and but putting up more Dps. I am not looking for a huge increase, just enough for there to be a more usefulness of a MCH.

What do you think?

[RiceisNice]

I don't feel that bard is severely outperforming mch in performance or utility. Though I am a bit nettled on not having a second wind available but it's ultimately not a big deal. Both classes could use a bit of tweaking though, esp bard.

[Ephier]

MCH lays down the business. No.

[Solver]

I agree with you that it is not severely outperforming MCH, but they are outperforming them. Adding Foe's is a group increase which can make or break for some groups early on. Not having that support ability and having a Dps difference between the two, it is like playing AST without the benefits of having cards.

[Odowla]

We're doing fine with a MCH. Also, Lucrezia killed A3s with one. That DPS check is tight, so....

[Astral145]

meh both brd and mch needs buffs..... support dps is load of garbage in this game.......... im still lmao

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

I haven't finished leveling my MCH so I can't confirm this so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Rook/Bishop turrets, when hypercharged, apply a Phys/Magic Vulnerability Up debuff to the target/targets respectively for the duration of Hypercharge. Is that a thing or am I talking shi*?

If the above is true, then MCH has comparable utility to bards.

Regen (TP/MP)
Vulnerability Up +5% (Phy/Magic)
Reduce Damage Dealt -5% (Phy/Magic)
Stun/Silence

[RiceisNice]

I haven't finished leveling my MCH so I can't confirm this so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Rook/Bishop turrets, when hypercharged, apply a Phys/Magic Vulnerability Up debuff to the target/targets respectively for the duration of Hypercharge. Is that a thing or am I talking shi*?

If the above is true, then MCH has comparable utility to bards.

Regen (TP/MP)
Vulnerability Up +5% (Phy/Magic)
Reduce Damage Dealt -5% (Phy/Magic)
Stun/Silence

Yes, but the vulnerabilities and damage reduction share cooldown with each other, and hypercharge has the same functionality of boosting regen effects. If you hypercharged for the vulnerbility, you won't have it for boosting mp/tp regen, and vice versa.

[Aiselia]

Yes, but the vulnerabilities and damage reduction share cooldown with each other, and hypercharge has the same functionality of boosting regen effects. If you hypercharged for the vulnerbility, you won't have it for boosting mp/tp regen, and vice versa.

However, it is also a 2 minute cooldown compared to Battle Voice's 5 minute cooldown which you also won't have if you need to TP/MP if you use it on Foe's.

So, I mean, if you use Hypercharge at the start of a fight to increase opening bursts, you'll have it up before anyone needs TP/MP (hopefully), whereas if you use BV to increase caster openers, you probably won't (according to people who say they bottom out of TP in 3 mins).

[RiceisNice]

However, it is also a 2 minute cooldown compared to Battle Voice's 5 minute cooldown which you also won't have if you need to TP/MP if you use it on Foe's.

So, I mean, if you use Hypercharge at the start of a fight to increase opening bursts, you'll have it up before anyone needs TP/MP (hopefully), whereas if you use BV to increase caster openers, you probably won't (according to people who say they bottom out of TP in 3 mins).

If you have to hold off hypercharge specifically for regens though, that's a dps hit since it's also one of your damage cooldowns. While on the other end of the spectrum, I never really used battle voice strictly for dps outside of on-pull (and I dont even do this for T13 since melee typically runs themselves out by the time the first shadow dies)