Protect? Really important? Low level content

[Yorumi]

Well that goes both ways, then. If it's such a non-factor, then why make a big deal over which spell he's using?

Because you can't control what other people do. When you're not casting protect there will eventually be someone that comes along and make a big deal out of it. Is the person stupid? Sure, but is it really worth fighting over? No. I'm not suggesting these people are justified, just that it's not worth the hassle. If someone's fun is ruined because they couldn't cast aero in copperbell there's something wrong.

[Bovinity]

Because you can't control what other people do. When you're not casting protect there will eventually be someone that comes along and make a big deal out of it. Is the person stupid? Sure, but is it really worth fighting over? No. I'm not suggesting these people are justified, just that it's not worth the hassle. If someone's fun is ruined because they couldn't cast aero in copperbell there's something wrong.

Eh, I really don't see the value in (or like the idea of) ceding everything to other people just because they'll raise a fuss over it. They're the ones making waves and disrupting the group, ought we all not simply be telling them that they're the unreasonable one?

It is interesting to me though. In many areas of life it seems to be this way...someone can raise a fuss over something and expect you to change or do something according to their will, but if you refuse, people make it seem like you're the unreasonable one.

I don't get resistance from the groups I'm in. I tell them I'm set up for DPS, they say ok, and we run. This happens every time. I've had maybe four instances where someone asks again, at which point I say, "Absolutely, mind waiting a minute for my skills to cool down?" then we run. It's a non-issue every run.

Heh, I had a nice fellow in Halatali last night inform me that "Cleric Stance is only for soloing."

[Leiloni]

Eh, I really don't see the value in (or like the idea of) ceding everything to other people just because they'll raise a fuss over it. They're the ones making waves and disrupting the group, ought we all not simply be telling them that they're the unreasonable one?

It is interesting to me though. In many areas of life it seems to be this way...someone can raise a fuss over something and expect you to change or do something according to their will, but if you refuse, people make it seem like you're the unreasonable one.



Heh, I had a nice fellow in Halatali last night inform me that "Cleric Stance is only for soloing."

Just because someone else is being difficult, that doesn't give you the ok to be the same way. In this case if you talk back to them, you're just making the waves bigger. It's often just easier to let it go. So if it all goes away with one cast of one skill, then the more mature thing to do would be to just cast the skill and get on with it. Learn to pick your battles. Sometimes you don't need to be right and it's just better to relax and make everyone happy. Only children feel like they have to "win" everything.

Threads like this make me feel like none of you have jobs in the real world. Do you talk to your coworkers at the office like that? Stamping your feet and telling them their unreasonable last minute request is not how things are done around here and to just deal with it? No, you suck it up, do the work to make everyone happy, and get on with your day without getting upset.

And honestly, if you handle it well and with a smile, they'll thank you and love you for it. MMORPG players are the same way. Grow up and just be nice.

[Bovinity]

So if it all goes away with one cast of one skill, then the more mature thing to do would be to just cast the skill and get on with it. Learn to pick your battles. Sometimes you don't need to be right and it's just better to relax and make everyone happy. Only children feel like they have to "win" everything.

It's not a matter of "winning", but I really dislike the concept that if someone is a jerk and wants to push us around, we should just let them have their way.

Even when it's just small, trivial things, it's a behavior that we should discourage, not encourage by always "being mature" and folding to them just because they got pushy about it. That's pretty much what jerks and bullies in all walks of life count on: that people will just always back down and give them their way.

[Leiloni]

It's not a matter of "winning", but I really dislike the concept that if someone is a jerk and wants to push us around, we should just let them have their way.

Even when it's just small, trivial things, it's a behavior that we should discourage, not encourage by always "being mature" and folding to them just because they got pushy about it. That's pretty much what jerks and bullies in all walks of life count on: that people will just always back down and give them their way.

Asking if they can have Protect is not being a jerk. It's a perfectly reasonable request.

[Bovinity]

Asking if they can have Protect is not being a jerk. It's a perfectly reasonable request.

It is when they'll go so far as leave the group altogether when the healer won't give in to them and they don't get their way. At that point it's clearly not just innocently "asking".

[Leiloni]

It is when they'll go so far as leave the group altogether when the healer won't give in to them and they don't get their way. At that point it's clearly not just innocently "asking".

Right he asked and the healer stomped his feet, so the tank stomped back. They're both guilty here. But he starts out by merely asking a question, which could have gotten an equally simple response.

[Yorumi]

Eh, I really don't see the value in (or like the idea of) ceding everything to other people just because they'll raise a fuss over it. They're the ones making waves and disrupting the group, ought we all not simply be telling them that they're the unreasonable one?

Honestly both are being quite petty when you get right down to it. Lets honestly step back for a moment and look at what's going on, we're seriously arguing about cross class skills in dungeons where the most dangerous enemy is boredom and mobs die to a sneeze. What ever would we do without that uber aero dps or 10% reduction on 20 damage hits.