I miss the sense of adventure and danger in MMOs.

[justinjarjar]

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Yes the game has evolved with society. No one wants the grind that turned many off of FF11 there is a reason I did not play mmo's till WoW, I wanted fun 30-2 hour fun not sit and grind to feel like I did nothing. The whole spoiled argument is a tired and true argument that is used to repress youth (which has shown that people are not dumber or more entitled just different). I simply put that in this current market old school mmo's would not sell, and probably will not come back in a major way (thank you indie developers for bringing back some old school games). What you are asking for is not a change of player base, but a change of the industry, which I wish you good luck, that is a long up hill battle. No one should be saying that some people like the old school and that it should no longer exist, just that a game set in the current market has no reason to move in that direction. I can get a lost done with one dungeon a day with he current system. That is perfect for me and many others who consume this product. The point of people saying go back to FF11 is that game is of the old era (when game developers still thought that only male teens played video games) that people want to move on from. (since so many counterarguments are FF11 had it which is a game that does not appeal to many of the FF14 gamers). You also act like even a less dedicated gamer is not a "true gamer" which is not true. They just have different time commitments. Welcome to the age where a 39 year old woman can get a positive experience with the same game as a 15 year old boy. I do not get what you mean by devolution, what are we reverting to? You have a right to care and you seem to, so figure out what you can do to help. Maybe start coming up with new ideas that the current market could use, or get a degree in computer programming and spend hours of your day making the game that you want. Welcome to business or what adults have been calling the real world for decades, not everything is right, it just needs to make money.

[justinjarjar]

Time sinks is in every game to extent the content of particular game and that helps developer for a mmo aspect to create other content not just the $$$ aspect while we go threw said time sink, you can create depth without dumbing it down its called having creative talent.

Dungeons are the same grind just to point that out, you also are hitting the same mob for experience get to next dungeon to hit a slightly different mob same results but in an instance. These are the options we have currently people are asking for more of a variety of those options beside just hitting same mobs in open world >.> <FATES> <.< with there own reward sets in the end were going to be hitting some type of mob.

However it takes less time out of my day (I can do one dungeon a day and some alex normal on weekends) and I can see the change (the pay off of hard work can be seen ask someone out of cancer research about not seeing progress it can lead to depression). I agree fates are not my idea of fun and I only do dungeon runs I like grouping with friends and meeting new people. (I'll do fates in a zone once in a while to see some fates I have not done yet I will admit). However at the end of the day FF11 was a niche market since many people did not enjoy the huge grind to level even (why do you think wow did so well?).

By the way "creative talent"...... have you made art on commission? After a while you hit these holes where your creative well is dry, it happens to even great artists. You start to sound like Mozart who died in an unmark grave poor for a reason (he did not understand that not everyone can be god sometimes people need breaks try studying that music period and see what real commissioned art was :P)

[odintius]

However it takes less time out of my day (I can do one dungeon a day and some alex normal on weekends) and I can see the change (the pay off of hard work can be seen ask someone out of cancer research about not seeing progress it can lead to depression). I agree fates are not my idea of fun and I only do dungeon runs I like grouping with friends and meeting new people. (I'll do fates in a zone once in a while to see some fates I have not done yet I will admit). However at the end of the day FF11 was a niche market since many people did not enjoy the huge grind to level even (why do you think wow did so well?

That why I said options meaning it a choice to do them not a requirement if implemented correctly you still can do your normal things you like and other people can do alternative god forbid adding variety to a game which leads to the same conclusion #endgame. You have a diverse group of people your not going to please everyone so that should stop them form implementing anything creative or different, because X person doesn't like what Y person likes or Z person and so and so forth nope fates/dungeon that it everyone else gtfo.

[justinjarjar]

That why I said options meaning it a choice to do them not a requirement if implemented correctly you still can do your normal things you like and other people can do alternative god forbid adding variety to a game which leads to the same conclusion #endgame. You have a diverse group of people your not going to please everyone so that should stop them form implementing anything creative or different, because X person doesn't like what Y person likes or Z person and so and so forth nope fates/dungeon that it everyone else gtfo.

Time spent on X could be used on Y and more people use Y so Y makes more money.... Welcome to business. In current climate MMO's, overworld will probably not see anything like FF11 ever. More people are into either A. Raiding and progression, or B. having a nice 30-hour a day (if that) game. I agree their are other types of players that would love their type of content to get more focused on (heck if they came up with new cool zones that added story every patch I would be all for it more casual exploration fer me since I do not raid) if it is not the direction that the devs think it should go (right now they want a consent stream more casual dungs and story raids and hard raider raids for everyone to focus on.) So in a way yes if more people like X and Y, Z gets booted. Devs got to focus on something or no one will get anything.

No ones wants are wrong, just the communities wants go above peoples wants. Sounds like you liked FF11 and maybe someone will make an updated version of it. The old school lose exp and hard to even walk through zones are find more of a turn off than on for most people at this time. The scene is allows evolving on what people want and even then it will not move quickly (only move at the speed of bureaucracy huehuehue).

People tend to be very passionate about these subjects (which is why the large backlash by people) but you need to look at the bigger picture why would SE do it? (and no because I like it is not a reason, looking at you pvp)

[Velhart]

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You make a game that requires a time commitment each night out of you, you lose an incredible amount of numbers. This is a game that aims at both hardcore and casual and it owes nothing to the people who like to spend 6-7 hours a night on their game.

[MageBlack]

Sounds like y'all need to contact From Software and get them to make a Souls MMO. but i'm sure even that would be "too easy" for most of you...

[odintius]

It isn't just about op type of content but other types I it think people are assuming if they implement X feature it somehow will require them to to do it, like hunts I personnel hate them I still play this game though because it doesn't effective me in the least in progression if I don't do them and that was my choice. If they only focus on one thing like we currently getting it will get old and stale fast the game for 2.0 is still young and already people asking to change things up a bit nothing drastic the bigger picture is give it awhile of the same old over and over like mention ppl will move on to something else, that when you'll see an actual money business module in effect and start to see changes not because they can't focus on more then just couple features that people are asking for but bc of $$$.

[justinjarjar]

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It is time and money, we have ahd some of the best content per month rate of any mmo I have ever seen (and many have pointed this out). They also have at least airship zoned stuff and who knows what else (more GS stuff prob and they talked about more PvP stuff) coming. Just give it time the changes are slow and as long as content comes up (even if you feel like it is just the same and not worth doing which I think you don't) then the game is going in the right direction, as has been said a good chunk of open world has a major problems in the current climate and system currently set up.

Also the expansion has just started no one should look at launch as the idea of what the expansion is look at what they add and how fast it is added. (how most people review games)

[odintius]

Time will tell on that front, but as i see it if more the same old same old nothing new and are we going to fly on those airship or is it just your Free company leader sending it out on click board and reap the rewards when it returns or are we actually going to said location as a free company to do X?

As for pvp it just sad not even interested in it anymore and i've seen some f2p module have some the best content of any mmo as many have said in other forums as well and offers more. Don't get me wrong I like the game and certain content and story, but I would like more not same thing over and over and over.

[Farah]

If you want it to be dangerous running around open world, just equip some lvl1 gear and run around heavensward areas for a bit. Or change to a class that is like lvl 15 or something. Challenge accepted? Stuff would be a challenge is you weren't prancing around in ilvl 180+ gear.