i100 and i110 gear no longer special

[Ocyrith]

Then pvp needs more of a hook to keep people interested....instead of just a forced grind.

The PvP is the hook for the PvPers. The pretty gear was the hook to make PvErs grind the PvP to give our community some longevity.

This happens in every MMO that isn't dedicated PvP. WAR and DAOC had hopping PvP because they were MMOs sold on their PvP premise. Guild Wars as well (not sure about 2). But even WoW has the problem of slow queue times. Of only seeing the same set of people when you hop into a battleground. They literally just introduced a merc system to try to alleviate it.

Most people don't actually like PvP, or if they do, they decide why bother wasting my time waiting around when I can just play Dota2 or something with nearly instant pops?

SE refuses to listen to us, and have now given away our best identifiers and rewards only to replace them with lackluster ones. We went from having unique animal themed sets to things shared between roles. They're not terrible sets, I quite like everything but the ranged ones, but not everyone feels that way and they're definitely not anywhere close to what we had before. They've spit in our face with this patch.

Who said just pve progression thats how it goes in games with pvp progression in expansions also. Look at wow once a new season hits not even a new expansion all the old high end conquest gear turns into bargain bin honor gear that you can grind out in a day or so. I realize people wanna be pretty unique snowflakes but that's what the new gear is for that is your new pedestal prize that you and only the other people who grinned up to rank 50 can wear.

I hate to be so blunt but that's about all I am hearing in this, People are mad that they cannot be the only ones who wear that gear anymore again look at it from the other angles also what about al the high end raiders who had to invest months of time to clear raids to get the best gear in the game and with the new lvl and ability to run it unsynced a group of people can go though and clear it with relative ease

You literally ignored my entire point to focus on something you've made up that you find easier to argue.

[Tensu]

You literally ignored my entire point to focus on something you've made up that you find easier to argue.

A: how was anything I said made up? So your saying the game has not progressed to where the weekly capped tomes and stuff went to a much easier to obtain non capped currency that anyone could grind out in a day? That is exactly what you are arguing. You had to put time and effort into obtaining something that now anyone can get with no effort IE: what would take someone 2 weeks to get (old poetic capped chest piece) I can now get in a few runs of a raid that takes maybe 15 min max

B: That was about all you said in your post, What everyone starts at rank 1? What does that have to do with anything Or was your point that people will simply do a couple front lines get the 10k to buy the gear with no rank then ditch PVP? Cause guess what I am willing to bet a months sub that those people would of never done PVP to begin with so all its doing is helping your pvp q's by giving you a surge of players who are simply doing it from time to time for the glamour. Is your issue that these "Pve casuals" will ruin your pvp experience by running around playing TDM? Guess what I bet most the people who are even high ranks even do this cause its what they enjoy.

So please explain to me how making some non relevant gear not take a pvp rank is going to kill the pvp, As I have said if anything its only going to help in the long run cause 1 of 2 things are going to happen, The people are gonna play frontlines for a week or so get there gear and be done with it and your glorious pvp will go back to normal or hey who knows maybe those people will do it enjoy it then actually continue to pvp even after to get ranks and get the more relevant gear.

And to your other point, PvP Is not a hook to PvP if a game has shit PvP people will not flock to it and play it just cause it has PvP if that was the case no MMO would fail as they all have PvP, You know what good PvP games actully do thrive? The ones with PvP that is good / has hooks and other interesting things that make you wanna do it and I hate to break it to you but a hook of "Come play our Meh PvP (Cause lets not lie to ourselves the PvP in this game is not the greatest it has allot of issues) for hour and hours on end sitting in endless q's to one day be able to buy a set of gear that is worse in the frontlines you will always be in then the gear you can get in PvE!" Is a pretty shit hook you can say I am wrong all you want but the game itself proves this fact by how you yourself are even fighting how small the actual PvP community is so clearly the pvp can not be that great or else more people would do it.

[Ocyrith]

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Now you're literally just bringing up points I've already addressed in the previous post.

You said "so what pve progression is like this so pvp progression should be too". I'm telling you it isn't because ranks exist. Now that the prime reason for ranks to exist (because if you're anywhere near halfway decent, you'd know that the other things ranks offer, points for abilities, are nearly useless except for in a few very rare cases) is gone, like I've repeated sixty different times, people will PvP for all of two weeks then leave.

Also it's hilarious that you call the 110 gear non relevant when all pvp gear is irrelevant right now. Morale is useless. All it is is aesthetics. All it was was a beacon to show us that there were PvPers around. Now it's being worn by people like you who don't deserve it, and only care about justifying themselves having because they feel attacked instead of the PvP community as a whole (hey look I can make assumptions on your reasonings too).

And to your other point, PvP Is not a hook to PvP if a game has shit PvP people will not flock to it and play it just cause it has PvP if that was the case no MMO would fail as they all have PvP, You know what good PvP games actully do thrive?

This happens in every MMO that isn't dedicated PvP. WAR and DAOC had hopping PvP because they were MMOs sold on their PvP premise. Guild Wars as well (not sure about 2). But even WoW has the problem of slow queue times. Of only seeing the same set of people when you hop into a battleground. They literally just introduced a merc system to try to alleviate it.

Most people don't actually like PvP, or if they do, they decide why bother wasting my time waiting around when I can just play Dota2 or something with nearly instant pops?

Neat.

[Tensu]

Also it's hilarious that you call the 110 gear non relevant when all pvp gear is irrelevant right now. Morale is useless. All it is is aesthetics. All it was was a beacon to show us that there were PvPers around. Now it's being worn by people like you who don't deserve it, and only care about justifying themselves having because they feel attacked instead of the PvP community as a whole (hey look I can make assumptions on your reasonings too).

So your argument is "I dont want other people to have this useless thing that I worked for cause it looks pretty" Your made cause you like the look of the old gear over the new gear if you preferred the new gear over the old gear this whole argument would be non existent. This is the silliest thing I have heard in a MMO, You sound like a 2 year old yelling cause someone else got the cool happy meal toy and you get the barbie doll. Who is to say in a update they wont add another tier of gear that is better looking that will need rank 55, Would you be happy then? That you get to be the pretty snowflake that no one else can be? I see more people walking around with high end coil gear over pvp gear and you know why? Cause the people who hated pvp before are most likely not going to sit in the long q's even to get those 10k+ points

I have grinned ranks in pvp in other games Hell in vanilla wow I almost made it to high warlord guess what a expansion later you could buy that gear with no rank and simply needing a couple hundred honor points, Did I pout and throw a fit? No cause its how things worked there was a new set of gear that if I wanted to I could grind to get, was it as cool looking as the pigsticker? Hell no but it was something I could wear and show off what I accomplished and guess what they have that now also in the rank 45-50 gear. Its a MMO its art style will change from set to set and patch to patch you are gonna get sets of gear you like and other don't and vice versa. Again you don't see people bitching about how its bullshit that "filthy cazuls" are getting this easy lvl 50 poetic gear that they had to work for and all they have now for all the hard work they are putting in is this crummy looking esoteric gear" No you can bitch that new sets don't look as good as old and that fine its a matter of personal choice however if that's your issue make that your issue and not some other sob story Are you also going to make post if another expansion drops and they lower the EXP needed each lvl from say 1-50 to help new players catch up or remove some of the needed filler story quest to allow them to get to the more relevant content faster? Cause I mean hell back in your day you had to work for them levels and do all those boring missions where you ran aimlessly from npc A to npc B so they should also.

And before the "Oh that's not even what I am talking about!" at the base of your argument as I said it is, You are simply mad that you had to grind out hours of q's and matches to be able to wear a set of gear that people now can get with a fraction of the effort.