i100 and i110 gear no longer special

[Tensu]

Also it's hilarious that you call the 110 gear non relevant when all pvp gear is irrelevant right now. Morale is useless. All it is is aesthetics. All it was was a beacon to show us that there were PvPers around. Now it's being worn by people like you who don't deserve it, and only care about justifying themselves having because they feel attacked instead of the PvP community as a whole (hey look I can make assumptions on your reasonings too).

So your argument is "I dont want other people to have this useless thing that I worked for cause it looks pretty" Your made cause you like the look of the old gear over the new gear if you preferred the new gear over the old gear this whole argument would be non existent. This is the silliest thing I have heard in a MMO, You sound like a 2 year old yelling cause someone else got the cool happy meal toy and you get the barbie doll. Who is to say in a update they wont add another tier of gear that is better looking that will need rank 55, Would you be happy then? That you get to be the pretty snowflake that no one else can be? I see more people walking around with high end coil gear over pvp gear and you know why? Cause the people who hated pvp before are most likely not going to sit in the long q's even to get those 10k+ points

I have grinned ranks in pvp in other games Hell in vanilla wow I almost made it to high warlord guess what a expansion later you could buy that gear with no rank and simply needing a couple hundred honor points, Did I pout and throw a fit? No cause its how things worked there was a new set of gear that if I wanted to I could grind to get, was it as cool looking as the pigsticker? Hell no but it was something I could wear and show off what I accomplished and guess what they have that now also in the rank 45-50 gear. Its a MMO its art style will change from set to set and patch to patch you are gonna get sets of gear you like and other don't and vice versa. Again you don't see people bitching about how its bullshit that "filthy cazuls" are getting this easy lvl 50 poetic gear that they had to work for and all they have now for all the hard work they are putting in is this crummy looking esoteric gear" No you can bitch that new sets don't look as good as old and that fine its a matter of personal choice however if that's your issue make that your issue and not some other sob story Are you also going to make post if another expansion drops and they lower the EXP needed each lvl from say 1-50 to help new players catch up or remove some of the needed filler story quest to allow them to get to the more relevant content faster? Cause I mean hell back in your day you had to work for them levels and do all those boring missions where you ran aimlessly from npc A to npc B so they should also.

And before the "Oh that's not even what I am talking about!" at the base of your argument as I said it is, You are simply mad that you had to grind out hours of q's and matches to be able to wear a set of gear that people now can get with a fraction of the effort.

[LucentLagombi]

Right... the people with prior experience with that are the ones with the 'must have prior clear title to join party or I kick you' party finders for FCOB, and yet they can still solo queue for Frontlines and not even try to learn how to succeed, and get rewards anyway. But if you're in the reverse situation- a PVP pro looking for more practical experience to clear raid content, good luck getting it without paying for it.

It's stupidly faceroll now, it would take you about the same amount of time to learn and destroy t1-11 at least as it would to buy a set of i110. As one of those who spends far more time progressing in pve than playing pvp I can honestly say that this is how most raiders feel every time they release echo and you see players go in and rofl stomp content that took months of prog, I'll agree it's bs but this is the gear treadmill. I would probably be a lot more sympathetic if I thought this should mildly surprise anyone anymore.

[Buff_Archer]

It's stupidly faceroll now, it would take you about the same amount of time to learn and destroy t1-11 at least as it would to buy a set of i110. As one of those who spends far more time progressing in pve than playing pvp I can honestly say that this is how most raiders feel every time they release echo and you see players go in and rofl stomp content that took months of prog, I'll agree it's bs but this is the gear treadmill. I would probably be a lot more sympathetic if I thought this should mildly surprise anyone anymore.

That's what I hear; I'll probably revisit it when I'm done with other things, it isn't a priority at the moment so I'm not worried about it. When I'm ready to revisit Coil I'll just go with a few friends who are more raid focused and do it with them. The main point of my post is that we can't make as much of a 100% correlation between coil gear vs PVP gear glamour availability now in the sense that some are trying to, because with one you can join, get the currency, and get the gear just by virtue of completing a match, and with automatic matchmaking that puts you in teams that don't require prior knowledge or clears. The other has a variety of gates involved, and maybe they're so low we can step over them vs have to struggle to climb them like so many before- I'm just saying the two are not as similar as some seem to think.

[DenariusJay]

PvE'rs used to say Animal gear looked like trash and was stupid and dumb. Why? because it was gated behind content they are not comfortable with. Now that's its load-in4gears easy suddenly they runnin' around taking screenshots of themselves with it on, talkin about how cool it is now and whatnot. Interesting when its not gated so hard how things become cool to the PvE crowd. It's the classic case of bashing something they don't wanna work for then saying its cool when its handed to them for free - that really grinds my gears.

The thing that's really getting on my nerves is the villainizing of those who like the idea of things staying unique, calling it "special snow flake" and whatnot - its not about that ffs, that's just PvE'rs nerd rage lingo. Its about keeping the integrity of the game and community, and keeping the sense of accomplishment alive, but I guess that's a evil thing nowadays. Why didn't they just lower the rank requirement, make the i100 hand out free but keep the i110 stuff a small bit of rarity and uniqueness, hell even lowering to rank 30 or something, I mean just alittle bit of something to make people who equip it have a sense of accomplishment. Ah well whats done is done

[Tila]

I did my first time PvPing this week because I want the old PvP gear. I never PvPed before because the grind for that gear was to insane. Now I'll grind for the gear, get a few ranks, and honestly, I genuinly like the PvP so will be staying.

This will bring in new people. And since you'll have a nice many ranks once you get a full set of the PvP gear, it may keep them too since the grind to the 50's wont look so bad when you're already a good bit in.

This is a very, very good thing. People need to get off their high horse.

[Tensu]

PvE'rs used to say Animal gear looked like trash and was stupid and dumb. Why? because it was gated behind content they are not comfortable with. Now that's its load-in4gears easy suddenly they runnin' around taking screenshots of themselves with it on, talkin about how cool it is now and whatnot. Interesting when its not gated so hard how things become cool to the PvE crowd. It's the classic case of bashing something they don't wanna work for then saying its cool when its handed to them for free - that really grinds my gears.
The thing that's really getting on my nerves is the villainizing of those who like the idea of things staying unique, calling it "special snow flake" and whatnot - its not about that ffs, that's just PvE'rs nerd rage lingo. Its about keeping the integrity of the game and community, and keeping the sense of accomplishment alive, but I guess that's a evil thing nowadays. Why didn't they just lower the rank requirement, make the i100 hand out free but keep the i110 stuff a small bit of rarity and uniqueness, hell even lowering to rank 30 or something, I mean just alittle bit of something to make people who equip it have a sense of accomplishment. Ah well whats done is done

There is a high likely hood that you are correct on a fraction of the players they might of had that "its not cool"high school attitude cause they could have it and used that as a shield cause they didn't wanna work to get it and now that its not to hard they are all for it, I however can say at least for my server / data center I have not seen anyone but maybe a handful of WAR walking around in the bear set of armor (And I will flat out say even owning the set I am not a huge fan of it, The massive shoulders, chest, helm, and tiny legs / boots makes me look like a upside down disproportionate pear) and maybe a pally here and there just rocking the helm.

However for the "villainizing" it is exactly that the issue is people who have / were working for the gear for all that time hate the idea that others can now get it easier and look that's fine but like I said you are gonna have to suck it up and put on your big boy pants and realize that's how things work in RL and even MMO life. Once new things are introduced old things go into the bargain bin so your once fancy armor is now bargain bin glamour and was replaced with the new rank 45-50 set. However like I have said the issue here that everyone is complaining about isnt even "Oh well these people get the armor we had to work for and once meant something" its in the core "These new armors look like crap and I dont wanna wear them but now I cant feel accomplished by simply wearing the set I like since now anyone can have it."

Question, Do you run out to game stop or send a e-mail to our lord gabben when some game you worked hours for to spend 60 of your hard earned dollars then goes on sale and someone else can then get that same thing for a fraction of the work / cost? I am gonna answer that for you with a No you don't. Do you bitch if you spend 60 bucks on a game and its amazing only to have a year later a PoS squeal release that feels rushed and is meh but still cost that full 60 bucks? Yes you do and again that's the core of the issue here you want your to show off and cherish your coke classic but you were given a big can of new coke and your once delicious thirst quenching coke classic is now the hip new thing that everyone is buying making it seem not quite as good anymore.

And look don't get me wrong, I understand you once had something that only a select few had and now its gone to the masses so its not that cool or fun to wear / glamour anymore however everyone on here makes it sound like with the expansion they went "You know what the whole rank thing was kind of bad so we are just gonna take it out and you can now simply buy all the armor sets with wolf marks and nothing else even the new and future ones oh and also if you were rank 50 or whatever uhh I mean I guess shove it cause you are not gonna get any special mounts, title or anything like that to show you were one of the few to accomplish this before it was removed" cause hey if that happens I would be behind the "This is BS express" if the whole system was gutted and you got nothing to show for it yes that would be a issue worth all the current hub bub however as I said you do have something to show off your rank / work that those who only pvp for a day / week will not have.

I did my first time PvPing this week because I want the old PvP gear. I never PvPed before because the grind for that gear was to insane. Now I'll grind for the gear, get a few ranks, and honestly, I genuinly like the PvP so will be staying.

This will bring in new people. And since you'll have a nice many ranks once you get a full set of the PvP gear, it may keep them too since the grind to the 50's wont look so bad when you're already a good bit in.

This is a very, very good thing. People need to get off their high horse.

And this right here was the exact point of my previous point on why this is a great thing to happen to PvP, Those "I'm to cool to grind that gear out" PvE'rs are now going to give pvp a shot and hell if even one of them now goes "You know I never really was into pvp but this is kind of fun" (oh look the person I just quoted did) That is a win for you pvpers its no secret pvp is a back burner for SE it was a tossed in half assed time waster in FFXI and I will admit its better and more balanced in this but still a side project that clearly gets no where near the attention PvE does. however if things like this bring more people into the mix and you dont see a 90% pve 5% pvp and 5% mixed bag guess what SE might go "hey you know what maybe we should put a bit more into this and actually put a bit more effort into these changes these pvpers want" Cause from what i can see on these bored its a whole lot of empty promises on PvP changes the dev's talk about.

[Tila]

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Was discussing it with a friend earlier, and imo, the big issue with getting people is that there are no rewards between starting and being maxed. PvP desperately needed something inbetween to get people in. The old gear not having rank is a good start. But its only that, a start. More needs to be done. Perhaps dropping the 180 gear rank requirement once the next set comes rather than, say, adding another 10 points on. It'll take, what? An average of 40-50 games per set for 110? People need more incentive past that. The achievements are to large to account for reward. Perhaps a chocobo barding? Minions? Cards? Beast Tribe devoted to PvP in some way? It doesnt really need to be anything major, just SOMETHING.

[justinjarjar]

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Or more game modes, most people beyond end game pvpers (does not exist in this game prob never will). A few cookie crumbs would be nice to get people in, but more variety of activities would help a good chunk too It would bring me in as an almost full time pvper.

[Tila]

Or more game modes, most people beyond end game pvpers (does not exist in this game prob never will). A few cookie crumbs would be nice to get people in, but more variety of activities would help a good chunk too It would bring me in as an almost full time pvper.

Honestly, I dont think new game modes would do horribly much. Players in PvP centered games have been shown time and time again to be ok with limited map selection (like splatoons 3, or MOBA's one). What gets people are carrots on sticks.

[Tensu]

Was discussing it with a friend earlier, and imo, the big issue with getting people is that there are no rewards between starting and being maxed. PvP desperately needed something inbetween to get people in. The old gear not having rank is a good start. But its only that, a start. More needs to be done. Perhaps dropping the 180 gear rank requirement once the next set comes rather than, say, adding another 10 points on. It'll take, what? An average of 40-50 games per set for 110? People need more incentive past that. The achievements are to large to account for reward. Perhaps a chocobo barding? Minions? Cards? Beast Tribe devoted to PvP in some way? It doesnt really need to be anything major, just SOMETHING.

I talked about this in another thread also,pretty much spot on to what I said, The fact that there is a giant rank wall in front of new pvpers and even new players is going to turn more people off to the idea then on even if the pvp gear is useless in pvp people want something and currently all you get is titles for every what is it 10 or so ranks?