i100 and i110 gear no longer special

[Laxxus]

a part of me is sad about this, maybe make ilvl 110 10 ranks lower would be nice like around rank 30ish like how the ilvl 100 started, and then make the ilvl 100 rank free. but there is no point in crying over spilled milk, it's not like they would undo this, unless everyone in the community cry over it and as we know less than 10% of the player base PvP, most of them are PvE heroes* that would feel this is the right direction. I just hope this change makes the queue time significantly shorter.

*PvE Heroes are players who think they are the best thing since slice bread and go solo mode instead of playing as a team, and thinks they are making a difference and/or think he is carrying the team with his uber PvE prowness. However, In reality they are just PvP feeders.

[Iromi]

Well, this is the type of game people praise and want. Vertical progression! Mention horizontal here and gear having merit and you'll get flamed lol.

Personally I never cared for the pvp gear look, it kind of scares me. But trust me, I can see why you guys are upset...everything gets invalidated and nothing feels like an accomplishment. :/

[Kynian]

But, by the way, if you just increase the EXP from 0 to 40...snip... Nobody will join and PvP will stay dead.

Stop right there! Incentive is attaining good-looking-semi-exclusive gear that requires a hard to get rank a LOT faster with increased pvp xp, while maintaining the prestige of the gear.

Now tell me whats this incentive that YOU are talking about, to KEEP players playing pvp after they grind the now-measly amount of seals they require for the ilvl100 and ilvl110 sets, if not the pvp ranking system itself?

I admit I'm looking forward to your mindblowing answer.

[Kynian]

And yes, I left PvP a while ago because of said queue times and because SE was not taking action fast enough.

Proves my point of casual PvPers that dont put in the effort of actually pvping being rewarded and veterans being given a huge "Fuck You".

Now, Im with you on those queue times. They are horrid. Yet I braved it, you didnt.

I deserve the gear, I'm entitled to it.
You and anyone that didnt brave that shitstorm do NOT deserve it.

But youre getting it anyway. See where our frustration is coming from, now?

[Neophyte]

I try not to get too salty on these forums but this is complete bullshit. So now after a few games anyone can have the gear we worked hard for? Where's my vendor for FCOB gear then? God this is bullshit...

You can farm your FCOB-gear with lvl 60 +20% Echo, which let you faceroll even T13 with singleheal.
And guess what, there was a time were Statics trained weeks/months for the coils and 6/8 players did not get anything every week per stage, even when they killed it.

Sounds similiar enough for me.

Now you go to pf, mostly get ppl who are familiar with it (only looking for certain drop), they kill it for (or with) you and you can get all your dreadwyrm-glamour-gear within few days/weeks (depending only on Rng, bu you'll get some).

[Rover1983]

Speaking of PvP, I zoned into Wolves Den yesterday for the first time and there was not a single soul in the zone. Is this the state of PvP in this? No one was there and it was kind of sad. I get its not really a big PvP game at all but still, no one?! Jesus. I went in there thinking Id see some people but nobody after 30 min of waiting. Would be sweet to grab some of the gear for Glamour as there is some really unique looking stuff

[TwiissTwiiss]

Seriously they should've lowered the rank requirement for the gear, but removing completely? That really sucks.

[Buff_Archer]

You can farm your FCOB-gear with lvl 60 +20% Echo, which let you faceroll even T13 with singleheal.
And guess what, there was a time were Statics trained weeks/months for the coils and 6/8 players did not get anything every week per stage, even when they killed it.

Sounds similiar enough for me.

Now you go to pf, mostly get ppl who are familiar with it (only looking for certain drop), they kill it for (or with) you and you can get all your dreadwyrm-glamour-gear within few days/weeks (depending only on Rng, bu you'll get some).

Right... the people with prior experience with that are the ones with the 'must have prior clear title to join party or I kick you' party finders for FCOB, and yet they can still solo queue for Frontlines and not even try to learn how to succeed, and get rewards anyway. But if you're in the reverse situation- a PVP pro looking for more practical experience to clear raid content, good luck getting it without paying for it.

[Buff_Archer]

Speaking of PvP, I zoned into Wolves Den yesterday for the first time and there was not a single soul in the zone. Is this the state of PvP in this? No one was there and it was kind of sad. I get its not really a big PvP game at all but still, no one?! Jesus. I went in there thinking Id see some people but nobody after 30 min of waiting. Would be sweet to grab some of the gear for Glamour as there is some really unique looking stuff

It's not unique anymore. And WD Pier was full of people who I know look down on PVP this am.

[Fyce]

Stop right there! Incentive is attaining good-looking-semi-exclusive gear that requires a hard to get rank a LOT faster with increased pvp xp, while maintaining the prestige of the gear.

Now tell me whats this incentive that YOU are talking about, to KEEP players playing pvp after they grind the now-measly amount of seals they require for the ilvl100 and ilvl110 sets, if not the pvp ranking system itself?

I admit I'm looking forward to your mindblowing answer.

"Good-looking"... Speak for yourself. I main SMN now, and I can safely say that the SMN 100-110 gear will not see a single slot of my inventory and will remain in the hands of the seller NPC.

Anyway. If you want new players to get interested in PvP (which I'm starting to doubt), you need to hook them right after their first or few games. That's how it works on a PvE game. It's either PvE related, worth the investment, or dead.

The amount of time it would take for newcomers to get the right to wear the outdated 100-110 sets is so huge that there needs to be something to drive them in before hitting 40-45. Unfortunatly, the mounts and various achievements also take an awful lot of games to complete... so that's out.

So, if the i100-110 was still heavily gated behind 250-300 games (roughly rank 35) as someone suggested, people won't join. Yes, even with that reduced rank.
The same goes for your idea of boosting 0-40 Exp.

You still want to gate your beloved gear behind hours upon hours of grind? Well, guess what: that's not how to make people come to join the previously dead PvP scene.
You already had your time to shine and be unique. But things are going forward, that's how most MMORPG works. Stop sounding like a noble about to lose a bit of privileges to a bunch of shameless peons.

Welcome the newcomers with your gear, instead of spitting on them.

Proves my point of casual PvPers that dont put in the effort of actually pvping being rewarded and veterans being given a huge "Fuck You".

Now, Im with you on those queue times. They are horrid. Yet I braved it, you didnt.

I deserve the gear, I'm entitled to it.
You and anyone that didnt brave that shitstorm do NOT deserve it.

But youre getting it anyway. See where our frustration is coming from, now?

There's "calculated effort to get a worthy reward" and "complete madness to wait hours and hours in queue for hundreds of FL match to get a glamour".
I also want to PvP just because I like that. I'm not driven in for the sole purpose of getting a fluffly wolf tail on my butt.

But whatever. You are complaining about what PvE players experience each time a patch comes out.
Don't worry, a few people cried as well when they saw how easy it is to do a relic weapon for glamour purposes now. Fortunatly, the vast majority understand the need to move on.
Deal with it and go grind to be the first to get your new shiney loot. The new monk set is awesome... and if you don't like it... too bad, but subjectivity isn't a good argument here.