Parsers make you stupid

[justinjarjar]

Already said but it is a tool for you and your static. If someone is using it as anything but a tool can be reported and banned for harassment. Nothing wrong with getting a parse on a dummy and then seeing how close you can get on a boss, or figuring out that "bob" is having a bad day and you should just give it a rest this week.

[WinterLuna]

Not sure why people are supporting parsers even for personal use when they are in fact illegal.. All they do is cause grief between players. Again, you can tell me they're good for statics but you shouldn't actually be using one in the first place.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see who is putting out decent DPS and who is lagging behind.

[KaiKatzchen]

Btw, I don't know why parses are prohibited. All the info can be acessed via ingame "Battle log".

Mostly because people were using them improperly by either adding on things to the parser that was hacking into the game, and because people were opening harassing and kicking people stating 'because of said program' which are both against ToS.

[Nexxa]

Parsers? Meh... They're good where they are and I have nothing against those who feel the need for their use to clear content but I'd rather not have to relive the experience of installing several mandatory addons to run content with most guilds which, I fear, is where SE allowing addons would quickly take us.

[SQBoard]

Already said but it is a tool for you and your static. If someone is using it as anything but a tool can be reported and banned for harassment. Nothing wrong with getting a parse on a dummy and then seeing how close you can get on a boss, or figuring out that "bob" is having a bad day and you should just give it a rest this week.

Yes, it is not harassment if you're using parsers for personal use.

But to clarify, ANY use of unauthorized 3rd party software to collect information from the game CAN be reported for violation of the terms of service you have agreed to in order to use SE's software, regardless of intent.

FFXIV User Agreement

2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.

2.6 Hacking and Circumvention. You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.

Parsers collect information from the game otherwise there's no use to them.

Now, whether or not SE actually exercises their rights will depend on them, but technically they can.

[Krylo]

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From what I understand, they need to make them against ToS because they want to make datamining patches and what not against ToS and there's no real way to word 'you can't mine this data but you can mine that data', PLUS it makes it much easier for them to punish people harassing other with the programs. Yoshi P himself has stated he understands the importance of parsers and they've posted world first clear videos/screens with parser overlays.

It's basically a DADT situation with parsers where they're technically not allowed but everyone knows people are using them and are fine with it as long as it isn't abused.

[KisaiTenshi]

From what I understand, they need to make them against ToS because they want to make datamining patches and what not against ToS and there's no real way to word 'you can't mine this data but you can mine that data', PLUS it makes it much easier for them to punish people harassing other with the programs. Yoshi P himself has stated he understands the importance of parsers and they've posted world first clear videos/screens with parser overlays.

It's basically a DADT situation with parsers where they're technically not allowed but everyone knows people are using them and are fine with it as long as it isn't abused.

Data-miners spoil the game. The entire reason "data-mining" is even possible is because of people hacking the game with a goal to make bots, and this "information" is shared widespread. It doesn't matter that the same software's intent was to be a DPS parser, the exact same software also enables 90% of the RMT activity in the game.

[SQBoard]

Yoshi P himself has stated he understands the importance of parsers and they've posted world first clear videos/screens with parser overlays.

It's basically a DADT situation with parsers where they're technically not allowed but everyone knows people are using them and are fine with it as long as it isn't abused.

Can't find a verifiable source where he said he was "fine" with parser use, but i have seen a video where he mentions that he "knows" there are people out there using parsers and if you use it you should be discrete about it.

ZAM Yoshida Interview (6:04)

However, his very first comment on the subject was that officially outside tools are not allowed.

And it's good to point out that, yoshida is not the one that enforces corporate policies. I think he was talking as a fellow gamer, giving parser users a favor to not brag or abuse it. He repeats that as a dev, external tools are not allowed.

Side note: He also mentions that he believes parsers do not give too much of an advantage and it depends mostly on the player's skill. Take that as you will.

[okitaluc]

I saw some people complaining about dps in a learning party, parsers are good if the people that are using them keep a reality check. People are learning the fight if they perform poor dps it is expected. the sad thing is it was on RavEx, we beat the shield we beat the adds so why people are complaining if they can't stay alive in swift / final liberation ? :/

[Bishop81]

Can't find a verifiable source where he said he was "fine" with parser use, but i have seen a video where he mentions that he "knows" there are people out there using parsers and if you use it you should be discrete about it.

ZAM Yoshida Interview (6:04)

However, his very first comment on the subject was that officially outside tools are not allowed.

And it's good to point out that, yoshida is not the one that enforces corporate policies. I think he was talking as a fellow gamer, giving parser users a favor to not brag or abuse it. He repeats that as a dev, external tools are not allowed.

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In general, he (i.e. SE) reserves the right to ban your butt if you use parsers.

Seriously, can't people just clear raids without parsers? Why do you need that clutch?