Parsers make you stupid

[Inuk9]

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Yep. That's why I don't use them and want a personal parser built ingame.

That and I am a PS4 player, lol.

[Allyrion]

My DPS isn't great, and I'm ok with that. What I'm NOT ok with, is knowing that someone in my dungeon group is parsing Tam-Tara and talking to their LS group about how "lol this DRG is only parsing 100" behind my back.

Get over yourselves.

Parsers are NOT the be all end all of this game, and are NOT necessary, and are NOT EVEN ALLOWED.

Can we please stop freaking out over numbers and "the best rotations" etc and just play the gd game GDI.


*forever a tank now because at least THAT is solely based on skill and not luck / putting blinders on and ignoring mechanics to show how big my epeen is*

People judge people no matter what.
There are tanks who judge healers for dpsing, because they don't feel safe.
There are tanks who judge healers for not dpsing, because they think they're lazy.

There are healers who judge tanks for pulling too slowly.
There are healers who judge tanks for pulling too much.

There are dps who join in the judging of any of the above.
And I've seen all of those at some point.

And they do it behind people's back, even in low level dungeons.
They talk to their LS about it, because they want to vent.
I think it's a little cowardly to go to your LS just to make fun of some guy in a dungeon.
But I get that voicing it can be volatile because even if you're nice, some people explode in defensiveness at any sign of criticism.
Plus you just can't please everyone.

So that's just the way it is.
But Damage is the primary job of a DPS, there's no denying that.
It should absolutely be transparent how much damage is done.
You may not like the min-maxing and analyzing encounters while looking through the game through a math lens, but many people do.
They enjoy that, not just to get a higher dps number but all the information involved.

And all the parser does is compile it, the information is already there in the combat log.
The parser doesn't touch the game itself. It just compiles and analyzes the already existing information that's in a text file outside the game files.

Information shouldn't be hidden just because some people are judgmental, because they're going to do that either way.
DPS is already a role that has no spotlight on it, and that's fine. But the data shouldn't have to hidden just because some are afraid of what might come to light.
Because for everyone that doesn't want to improve and just wants to get by, there's someone that would've been motivated by the information to get better.

In regards to putting blinders on to get a higher number, that's actually the part you can look at more accurately in-game.
You can see if dps are trying to pad their numbers and ignore mechanics, but you can't really see how good their dps is even if you know the class unless you're always watching them (which is pretty silly, since that's its own set of visors).

[Taika]

Yesterday I was doing story Ravana as a tank for a healer friend. We weren't able to kill the adds, even though we tried 6 times (there were always at least 4 swords up when Ravana used its ultimate move and we just wiped every single time) despite both healers DPSing as much as they could in that phase. Turned out all four DDs were doing less DPS than either tank (who were using full tank gear). One of the DDs said in party chat "these DPS suck" and left (yes, despite himself having constantly done less DPS than the tanks on all 6 tries). We ended up vote abandoning the fight. The DDs will probably be carried through the fight in some other group, imagining they're doing super and just ended up in a bad party (like the guy who left, blaming others). Without a parser they will never know how they're doing and they will never get a chance to improve.

[daiquentyn]

maybe you guys should stop being garbage if you want people to stop calling you out on it

[Inuk9]

Btw, I don't know why parses are prohibited. All the info can be acessed via ingame "Battle log".

The only thing the parses does e to take those numbers and divide by the time elapsed. It's nothing like breaking the game's code or something.

Pls SE. Do a personal parser ingame T__T

[KaiKatzchen]

Btw, I don't know why parses are prohibited. All the info can be acessed via ingame "Battle log".

Mostly because people were using them improperly by either adding on things to the parser that was hacking into the game, and because people were opening harassing and kicking people stating 'because of said program' which are both against ToS.

[justinjarjar]

Already said but it is a tool for you and your static. If someone is using it as anything but a tool can be reported and banned for harassment. Nothing wrong with getting a parse on a dummy and then seeing how close you can get on a boss, or figuring out that "bob" is having a bad day and you should just give it a rest this week.

[SQBoard]

Already said but it is a tool for you and your static. If someone is using it as anything but a tool can be reported and banned for harassment. Nothing wrong with getting a parse on a dummy and then seeing how close you can get on a boss, or figuring out that "bob" is having a bad day and you should just give it a rest this week.

Yes, it is not harassment if you're using parsers for personal use.

But to clarify, ANY use of unauthorized 3rd party software to collect information from the game CAN be reported for violation of the terms of service you have agreed to in order to use SE's software, regardless of intent.

FFXIV User Agreement

2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.

2.6 Hacking and Circumvention. You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.

Parsers collect information from the game otherwise there's no use to them.

Now, whether or not SE actually exercises their rights will depend on them, but technically they can.

[Krylo]

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From what I understand, they need to make them against ToS because they want to make datamining patches and what not against ToS and there's no real way to word 'you can't mine this data but you can mine that data', PLUS it makes it much easier for them to punish people harassing other with the programs. Yoshi P himself has stated he understands the importance of parsers and they've posted world first clear videos/screens with parser overlays.

It's basically a DADT situation with parsers where they're technically not allowed but everyone knows people are using them and are fine with it as long as it isn't abused.

[KisaiTenshi]

From what I understand, they need to make them against ToS because they want to make datamining patches and what not against ToS and there's no real way to word 'you can't mine this data but you can mine that data', PLUS it makes it much easier for them to punish people harassing other with the programs. Yoshi P himself has stated he understands the importance of parsers and they've posted world first clear videos/screens with parser overlays.

It's basically a DADT situation with parsers where they're technically not allowed but everyone knows people are using them and are fine with it as long as it isn't abused.

Data-miners spoil the game. The entire reason "data-mining" is even possible is because of people hacking the game with a goal to make bots, and this "information" is shared widespread. It doesn't matter that the same software's intent was to be a DPS parser, the exact same software also enables 90% of the RMT activity in the game.