I dont get all the Bard hatred..

[Shunye]

I love wm and to be honest, i believe people who are saying it's not fluid or that it's clunky are just too lazy or single minded to bother learning how to play their class. The only thing i don't like about it is that even if we play perfectly, there is no situation where we can be top dps against equally skilled players of other classes.

[Humorless]

Whatever other people may say thats my problem with them. Has WM actually made bard so complex that 80% of the playerbase is incapable of dealing passable damage? We're not talking parsing at 80% of other DPS, more like 50-60%. With 2 Bards MNK and a BLM, I had the first boss in Alex Normal start to self-destruct at 10% HP due to enrage timer. If it's actually possible for them to deal so much damage I have yet to see it.

There's plenty of parses out there for Faust with bards doing over 1k damage (to Faust, not including AOE). I've seen over 1.1k as well with DRG/NIN in pt. Considering melee have to push REALLY hard to reach 1.3k single target that's not bad. At all.

[LambLich]

I love wm and to be honest, i believe people who are saying it's not fluid or that it's clunky are just too lazy or single minded to bother learning how to play their class. The only thing i don't like about it is that even if we play perfectly, there is no situation where we can be top dps against equally skilled players of other classes.

Really you find the way straight shot procs appear and bloodletter going to waste to be good class design do you.

[Hakuohsama]

Whatever other people may say thats my problem with them. Has WM actually made bard so complex that 80% of the playerbase is incapable of dealing passable damage? We're not talking parsing at 80% of other DPS, more like 50-60%. With 2 Bards MNK and a BLM, I had the first boss in Alex Normal start to self-destruct at 10% HP due to enrage timer. If it's actually possible for them to deal so much damage I have yet to see it.

Well some DPS did a terribad job there.
I never had problems with 2 Bards there with randoms..

But bad Dps isnt a Bard only problem.. :P

[Hakuohsama]

Really you find the way straight shot procs appear and bloodletter going to waste to be good class design do you.

Ofc sometimes you get 2 resets of BL but it happends..
Maybe Square should watch over this but overall WM isnt bad designed.

[Warlyx]

Whatever other people may say thats my problem with them. Has WM actually made bard so complex that 80% of the playerbase is incapable of dealing passable damage? We're not talking parsing at 80% of other DPS, more like 50-60%. With 2 Bards MNK and a BLM, I had the first boss in Alex Normal start to self-destruct at 10% HP due to enrage timer. If it's actually possible for them to deal so much damage I have yet to see it.

A1 is the boss BRD has an advantage , since we can dot both and keep dots up with iron jaws.

the gameplay needs improvements no doubt , but so do animations (WM reaching arrow , and iron jaws are the worst offenders....)

[Skallter]

Bard damage is fine now, its sitting where it used to compared to other dps again.

I think most bards (including me tbh) just felt butthurt over the massive change to playstyle that WM introduced.

Just gotta git good or gtfo it seems. Or just remove all 3.0 abilities from your hotbars, be a little crappy in the damage department, and party like its 2.x

[Lewtskie]

Ofc sometimes you get 2 resets of BL but it happends..
Maybe Square should watch over this but overall WM isnt bad designed.

No, it doesn't "just happen". That's an immediate red flag that needs to be addressed. Doubling down on the procs that provide your damage is horrendously bad design.

Speaking of bad design, should we also include the cheap animation? "Gonna do more damage by staring at my enemy for 2 seconds while I angrily clutch this arrow still in my quiver." Or that until a shitstorm was raised you had a 3 second cast time going into the damn stance, because <lol> it's a song.

I don't hate WM in its proper incarnation, that being GB. Machinist has a kit designed for GB and because of that doesn't deal with bullshit. Its annoying but it works, I'll not deny the damage output and that's fine. But it shows they gave almost no care to Bard as they did the other classes. That's why I loathe it as much as I do, and the Devs for shitting on it. And if WM isn't enough evidence then look to the new song that doesn't even have a function in actual endgame right now, or barely any function at all anywhere else.

[Humorless]

Really you find the way straight shot procs appear and bloodletter going to waste to be good class design do you.

That's what you're whining about now? Try BLM or MCH.

[RiceisNice]

That's what you're whining about now? Try BLM or MCH.

Mch doesn't have this problem. Blm isn't losing their precious finite resources.