Astro in savage

[SuzakuCMX]

The Answer is simple don't go in under geared I mean doing it now or later doesn't make much difference it's not like there is any reward for clearing it before anyone else so get the new E tome Ilevel 200 weapon and you will be better off.

If AST can't clear Alexander Savage in the same gear WHM/SCH can, then there is a clear problem with class balance.

[RichardButte]

If AST can't clear Alexander Savage in the same gear WHM/SCH can, then there is a clear problem with class balance.

Stole the words...

I don't want to see AST relegated to a "farming runs only" healer.

[Assirra]

If AST can't clear Alexander Savage in the same gear WHM/SCH can, then there is a clear problem with class balance.

But who saids they can't?
The job aint a complete month old and people are already spelling doom and gloom.
I personally think it's still to early to be so negative as this whole section is now.
Don't forget whm/sch combo had over a year to evolve/get the best out of it.

[SuzakuCMX]

*snip*

Psst, you should read quoted text.

[Alahra]

But who saids they can't?
The job aint a complete month old and people are already spelling doom and gloom.
I personally think it's still to early to be so negative as this whole section is now.
Don't forget whm/sch combo had over a year to evolve/get the best out of it.

If AST were fundamentally different than the other two healers, I would agree with you, but it's not in any significant way. Its basic tool kit is the same basic tool kit that WHM and SCH have, so healing proficiency from one or the other carries over decently well. It shouldn't take all that long for people to be able to gauge its capabilities. I'm sure no one's playing AST perfectly yet, but perfect execution shouldn't be necessary to comment on the job. WHM and SCH as it is allow for more mistakes it seems, and mistakes are bound to happen in progression. So for that at least, they're probably preferred.

[EchuKayu]

How old does something have to be before people decide on if the class it lacking when it clearly is? There have been extremes, there was normal, and now there is savage, which currently AST aren't in it simply because of how incredibly hard it is in the current gear even for sch/whm. But, hey, maybe in 3 months when we decide how good the class is, and we have full eso gear and can finally do it, we can decide the class just needs a full BiS gearset to do it and the other healers don't

AST is basically a SCH/WHM in those stances, except weaker and without less ohshit and utility that benefits a HEALER not a support. And the weakness is offset by the cards, which are RNG and may not make up for the tools the other healers bring.

This is ignoring plenty of other problems the class has, I think we're beyond having to wait to decide how things shape up

[Nihility]

from what i experienced and this is just the first floor

astro with a white mage partner felt just barely maybe doable and everything was in a constant state of emergency
switched to scholar and it all felt pretty smooth and easygoing for healing

the difference was kind of unbelievable

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

I was the AST

it would have been a kill if the monk didn't get killed by the giant avoidable laser halfway through also.
It really isn't that hard to heal it with ast/sch. It has advantages also like synastry lines up perfectly with double prey/tank buster.

Also our sch has cleric stance up more aggressively than he needs to, with even a few more gear upgrades to the group it would be jokes to make the dps check and he wouldn't need to do any damage and the healing would be trivial.

I tried with my SCH co-healer and we couldn't get past Faust even though we took it down to 3%. Then switched to WHM and beat Faust on 2nd try and still had MP left. :/ With WHM the SCH and I had more room to DPS.... but we shouldn't be relying on that just to beat it. DPS should have no problems with Faust not moving at all... basically just a dummy. DPS shouldn't rely on that because they will have to pull their weight on the boss. I hate feeling like I carry with WHM.

My static is being kind enough to let me try AST tomorrow again.

Edit: Would like to add, even with the runs where I managed to get Balance and Arrow cards, it still wasn't enough and EVEN with Ewer cards to get my MP back, still not enough, ran out of MP like crazy even when I rarely had problems with MP before. On WHM, Assize and Asylum helped a lot, too and well, Divine Seal + Regen is a monster.

Also got extended and enhanced Bole cards out of RNG, so I used them on the MT to be able to DPS a bit more. Still, wasn't enough.

[GeekMatt]

In Diurnal AST is basically WHM with fewer options for both AoE and single target healing, as well as lower potency. Also in exchange for the utility WHM has, AST has RNG cards which can't be counted on and so are removed from the equation (healing has to be dependable for the job to be viable). All that leaves is the ability to extend regen time, Synergy, LightSpeed and Disable.

So as far as AST being too new to determine its ability--if you've played WHM, then its just a matter of knowing how these skills work. Now even if you didn't perform as well as you'd hoped as an AST, you can pretty much gauge whether or not these skills would have solved your issue.

You can argue Nocturnal, but Nocturnal is further below SCH than Diurnal is to WHM.

All in all, this is why I'm REALLY hoping they can solve this issue in a way that isn't just strict potency. AST currently feels pretty unique when playing it compared to other healers, but at the same time it's so close to being a weak WHM when in Diurnal, so the last thing I want is it to be any closer. The really difficult part about this though, is that AST brings a lot of utility and if measured totally on par with WHM or SCH, then it'll instantly become the healer of choice.

[KarstenS]

the lack of the Mind Attribute Bonus.

Yesterday I watches how much this bonus bring on the table. I was surprised. It was more than I expected.

This bonus do also affect cleric stance?

Are all bonuses this noticeable? We are missing the STR bonus becuase no DRG/MNK.