Astro in savage

[RichardButte]

If AST can't clear Alexander Savage in the same gear WHM/SCH can, then there is a clear problem with class balance.

Stole the words...

I don't want to see AST relegated to a "farming runs only" healer.

[Assirra]

If AST can't clear Alexander Savage in the same gear WHM/SCH can, then there is a clear problem with class balance.

But who saids they can't?
The job aint a complete month old and people are already spelling doom and gloom.
I personally think it's still to early to be so negative as this whole section is now.
Don't forget whm/sch combo had over a year to evolve/get the best out of it.

[SuzakuCMX]

*snip*

Psst, you should read quoted text.

[Alahra]

But who saids they can't?
The job aint a complete month old and people are already spelling doom and gloom.
I personally think it's still to early to be so negative as this whole section is now.
Don't forget whm/sch combo had over a year to evolve/get the best out of it.

If AST were fundamentally different than the other two healers, I would agree with you, but it's not in any significant way. Its basic tool kit is the same basic tool kit that WHM and SCH have, so healing proficiency from one or the other carries over decently well. It shouldn't take all that long for people to be able to gauge its capabilities. I'm sure no one's playing AST perfectly yet, but perfect execution shouldn't be necessary to comment on the job. WHM and SCH as it is allow for more mistakes it seems, and mistakes are bound to happen in progression. So for that at least, they're probably preferred.

[EchuKayu]

How old does something have to be before people decide on if the class it lacking when it clearly is? There have been extremes, there was normal, and now there is savage, which currently AST aren't in it simply because of how incredibly hard it is in the current gear even for sch/whm. But, hey, maybe in 3 months when we decide how good the class is, and we have full eso gear and can finally do it, we can decide the class just needs a full BiS gearset to do it and the other healers don't

AST is basically a SCH/WHM in those stances, except weaker and without less ohshit and utility that benefits a HEALER not a support. And the weakness is offset by the cards, which are RNG and may not make up for the tools the other healers bring.

This is ignoring plenty of other problems the class has, I think we're beyond having to wait to decide how things shape up

[Kaizersan]

If AST can't clear Alexander Savage in the same gear WHM/SCH can, then there is a clear problem with class balance.

The problem is you don't know what gear level these guys are at they could have better on one job and slightly lower on another and E tome gear is a bit more optimized for AST rather then having to use gear that is made to be decent for 3 different healer types.

[FoxyAreku]

The problem is you don't know what gear level these guys are at they could have better on one job and slightly lower on another and E tome gear is a bit more optimized for AST rather then having to use gear that is made to be decent for 3 different healer types.

A decent argument, but secondary stats in this game don't make or break a class.
For example, a scholar with no crit. Yeah, it'd be miserable, but you'd still be able to make it work and do perfectly fine.

Not to mention the esoteric gear isn't even optimal for their classes as far as secondaries go. >_> Scholar is like full DET and white mage is full CRIT, yeah no I'm not buying that that is the optimal stat weight.

[Muahbec]

Like i posted in another thread.
In my sincere opinion, the lightspeed buff should be changed from 25% mana cost reduction to a 25 or 30% healing boost buff
and lasts for like...20-25 seconds with a 60 seconds cooldown.
That would help a lot.
And also, AST needs more AOE power. For Savage like content.
SCHs have their amazing toolkit as well as WHM.
and AST only have Helios and Aspected helios for AOE :/ and a 40s burst heal....again...40s cooldown. And thats it.
I'm afraid that maybe AST will need a complete rework. :|

[Kietsu]

In my sincere opinion, the lightspeed buff should be changed from 25% mana cost reduction to a 25 or 30% healing boost buff
and lasts for like...20-25 seconds with a 60 seconds cooldown.

We could use a potency buffing skill, but that would be vastly better than Divine Seal. Our inability to completely outheal WHMs is not the problem.

Helios has the same EHP/second output as Scholar's Succor, as well. Scholar does have Indomitability, but it's on a cooldown and costs an Aetherflow.
That said, White Mage is the only class that truly excels at AoE healing. In my opinion, the only way you're clearing A1 Savage with AST/SCH right now is if the SCH makes very smart use of Fey Illumination to make up for AST's complete and utter lack of a potency buff.

(I also want to take a moment to complain that Eos and Selene are Synastry, except with infinite duration and the ability to switch targets...)

[Muahbec]

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(This is my last post about this topic i promise)
Sure it would be better than divine seal but think about it for a second.
how much tools do AST have for emergency situations where a huge amount of healing is necessary?
Sch: Rouse+whispering dawn, Fey illumination, indomitability, emergency tactics+succor, dissipation, fairy,etc.
Whm: Divine seal, assize, presence of the mind, asylum, benediction, tetra, etc.
AST: no healing buff, a weaker copy of cure/cure 2/medica, weaker versions of medica 2/succor, an almost useless weaker version of Adloquium, an useless copy of Sacred soil/asylum and cards that are almost insignificant :/
My suggested version of lightspeed would not be unfair.