Astro in savage

[Kaizersan]

So you're going with the "they don't know how to play the class" argument, eh?

If they happen to not be healing properly then yes because a lot of players panic on heavy damage and waste mp or forget to use abilities that could save them mp and it's not like AST has been around for a year or anything like WHM and SCH have.

[Kaizersan]

Like even simple non potency buffs would help AST like Aspect Helios having the range as medica 2 and being able to place CU without having to channel it would greatly increase AST overall healing power.

[LycorisSelunis]

Like even simple non potency buffs would help AST like Aspect Helios having the range as medica 2 and being able to place CU without having to channel it would greatly increase AST overall healing power.

I think the stances is the reason aspect helios isn't that big- because then we would have a 20y succor in noct. I still think it's strange medica2 has a 20y radius and every other aoe heal I can see has a 15, even regular medica. Also CU is tinier than SS/Asylum...why?! Asylum is smaller than SS but CU is smaller than both AND you are stuck still. CU I think had a lot of potential but the current iteration is truly head scratching :/

[Kaizersan]

So people have been playing WHM/SCH with all level 60 abilities for a year.

Once again you miss the point I said WHM and SCH I didn't say anything about the level difference as that is pointless as AST is a brand new class from the ground up and also WHM and SCH have had a years worth of refinement behind them to get where they are now I mean if you took 2.0 WHM and SCH at 60 and put them against savage Alexander they would fail.

[RichardButte]

also WHM and SCH have had a years worth of refinement behind them to get where they are now

Oh, okay. I thought we disagreed on AST needing buffs.

Carry on, then.

Trying to mispread information yourself? Thematically it is impossible for Astrologian to be so far behind white mage and scholar that they struggle since astro is only 20 potency behind white mage. That negates to barely 100 hps lost along with the strongest (on 40 second cooldown) instant cast heal int he game with upwards of 1k potency if you learn to time it properly along with light speed which i clocked an astro burst healing for about 2k single target I am not not sure you are just trying to make a mountain out of a ant hill.

Astro is not as simple as scholar or white mage. It takes thought and coordination to maximize your card use but to claim they are not in a good situation is worse then spreading misinformation. It is borderline lying. If astro could not handle Savage then we would have issues but we so far have too little data to back your claim but actual proof that astro's are healing savage mode. Wait and see instead of yelling the sky is falling please.

If you guys were at the gear level the content was designed for, you wouldn't need the healers' DPS.

Thing is, it's not really a question of whether healer DPS is NEEDED or not so much as whether or not healers will be capable of supplying it.

I DPS when:
-I have ample mana
-I don't need to be topping the group off
-I know that I can drop cleric stance and get some big heals out there quickly at the drop of a hat if need be (Lustrate...)

As groups get better geared, healers are only going to DPS more, and they're only going to end encounters even more quickly as a result.

In relating this to the condition of the AST (since some folks had mentioned it), it's silly to say that AST will somehow be better off at a higher gear level. I mean, I'm sure it will be, but so will the other healers, who will be healing these encounters with very little effort, probably spending over half of their time DPSing just to get rid of all of that useless mana cluttering up their MP bars.

Bottom line, if the AST isn't competitive with the other healers at 170, it's not going to be competitive at 200, either.

[Kaizersan]

Oh, okay. I thought we disagreed on AST needing buffs.

Carry on, then.

Like I have said before if they change CU to a placement non channel move AST overall healing ability would jump up to the other healers easily with just that little change.

[Zilara]

You made your own point. Astro has less cooldowns than a 2.0 WHM or SCH right now, at 60, when SCH/WHM both gained a number of free abilities they drastically boost their healing output. Too much of their toolkit is tied up in cards for it to have access to the kind of abilities it needs for progression.

[Kaizersan]

You made your own point. Astro has less cooldowns than a 2.0 WHM or SCH right now, at 60, when SCH/WHM both gained a number of free abilities they drastically boost their healing output. Too much of their toolkit is tied up in cards for it to have access to the kind of abilities it needs for progression.

The thing is if they changed CU to a non channel move you could place on the field that would be enough to make AST better.

[justinjarjar]

At this point we are no longer on topic which is talking about people progressing in AS as an AST.

[Zilara]

Downed Savage A1 today with the AST/SCH combo. MP was tight, but with very little healer dps overall, we managed to clear it slightly before the enrage. It took five lockouts to get used to it, and we all agreed that it would be easier with a WHM, but it looks like it can definitely be done with very low healer support.