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  1. #11
    Player Ceodore's Avatar
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    Ulf Hednasch
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    Famfrit
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by WinterLuna View Post
    Tanks are there to tank. I don't see the need for strength other than to power your way through content quickly which isn't really necessary if you have good DPS.
    You're so cute. SE has in fact stated that they take the DPS a tank can do into consideration when designing content. They encourage tanks AND healers to also dps. Just because you're a tank doesn't mean you shouldn't still pull 1k DPS to down the boss faster. As has been said to me before... the faster the boss dies, the fewer attacks he does, the more you have mitigated. Your narrow view simply means a narrower understanding of mitigation. Your VIT trinkets do not provide any form of mitigation, only survivability. If the fight has big tank crunches that hit for 15k, sure, your VIT trinkets are necessary to survive. But unless this is the case, then they server no other purpose than to inflate your HP pool and the boss fight lasts just that much longer due to your lack of higher DPS.
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    Adol Giantbane
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceodore View Post
    One stock set that is just mediocre at both capabilities.
    That's just not true in most situations. Unless you are stacking all slaying or all fending, then the crafted stuff is much better.

    Going from full fending to 4 fending + 1 slaying you gave up 40 vit and got 40 str. Going from full fending to full crafted you give up 55 vit and get 155 str. That is a massive boost to attack strength between the two sets.

    If you wanted to go 1 fending + 4 slaying, then it's a similar situation. Full crafted allows you roughly the same amount of strength in addition to thousands more HP. There's no comparison.
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  3. #13
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    Nektulos-Tuor's Avatar
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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Strength is so much better then secondary stats.

    I would rather it just have strength/vit and secondary stats removed.

    Secondary stats are not powerful enough now to not have vitality on every piece of gear.
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    Destomius Masteron
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    Adamantoise
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by WinterLuna View Post
    Tanks are there to tank. I don't see the need for strength other than to power your way through content quickly which isn't really necessary if you have good DPS.
    Except that a tank that can tank while wearing strength gear and not die is still better.
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  5. #15
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    Jesse Branford
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    I just wear strength accessories for dem phatty clemencies.
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  6. #16
    Player Ceodore's Avatar
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    Ulf Hednasch
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    Famfrit
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    That's just not true in most situations. Unless you are stacking all slaying or all fending, then the crafted stuff is much better.

    Going from full fending to 4 fending + 1 slaying you gave up 40 vit and got 40 str. Going from full fending to full crafted you give up 55 vit and get 155 str. That is a massive boost to attack strength between the two sets.

    If you wanted to go 1 fending + 4 slaying, then it's a similar situation. Full crafted allows you roughly the same amount of strength in addition to thousands more HP. There's no comparison.
    That's the thing, I only ever use full sets of each, never really mix and match. However, my gear is fairly beefy anyways on my left side, so my HP pool still surpasses the necessary requirements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Strength is so much better then secondary stats.

    I would rather it just have strength/vit and secondary stats removed.

    Secondary stats are not powerful enough now to not have vitality on every piece of gear.
    Ugh... could you not make suggestions anymore? It's like taking a sharpened pencil and shoving it into my eye.
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  7. #17
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    Elinchayilani N'jala
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    Zodiark
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Destomius View Post
    Except that a tank that can tank while wearing strength gear and not die is still better.
    Except that a tank that is concerned about tanking first and foremost, and only takes dps into account afterwards, is still better.
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  8. #18
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    Adol Giantbane
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    Except that a tank that is concerned about tanking first and foremost, and only takes dps into account afterwards, is still better.
    If the fending sets had 50% strength on them, I think you'd end up with fewer tanks doing DF runs in full strength accessories. I can't imagine healers on the whole wouldn't be happier about this.
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  9. #19
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    Alexika Shieldheart
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    Sargatanas
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    Bard Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by WinterLuna View Post
    Tanks are there to tank. I don't see the need for strength other than to power your way through content quickly which isn't really necessary if you have good DPS.
    I put out 700+ DPS while tanking and my healers have zero issues. It's good to clear content reliably and with ease.
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  10. #20
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Atomos
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexika View Post
    I put out 700+ DPS while tanking and my healers have zero issues. It's good to clear content reliably and with ease.
    Just curious. What's your dps while tanking in full VIT?
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